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    Posted: July 18 2005 at 11:56

Hey evry'one, if you thought the intro riff of Deep Purple's best known song 'Child in Time' is very original, you all should hear a song called Bombay Calling, by It's a beautiful day, this song dates from 1969. To remind you Child in Time dates from 1970. Ofcourse Child in Time is much better, but it's very fun to know there's a song with a similair intro, released one year earlier..  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 18 2005 at 12:04

Well....which ones better is a matter of opinion isnt it?? Its a Beautiful day are

more lighthearted folk/prog... if you will. Deep Purple...well..i guess we all know that track.....a great track...but i think that Gillan´s voice tears on the nerves

in the long run!! Still....it a matter of taste!

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 18 2005 at 12:06
It's true.  Deep Purple played  Bombay Calling during one of their sessions and  it resulted in a jam that would later be Child in Time.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 18 2005 at 12:31
I love Deep Purple.  My favorite non-prog band.  I saw them last summer.  They were great, but didn't play "Child In Time."
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 18 2005 at 13:30

Yea Deep Purple are pretty awesome.

If Styx is on this site why wouldn't Deep Purple be....

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 18 2005 at 13:31
There were also legal questions about this fact in those days...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 18 2005 at 13:54
Deep Purple isn't prog? c'mon!!!

In Rock
Fireball
Machine Head
Who do we think we are

Not to mention the MK1, Mk3 and Mk4 albuns

Isnt prog about experimenting, jammimng, lenghty songs, lyrics about
space travel, pushing the envelope... ok they never released a concept
album but so what??

Highway Star, Into the fire, Speed King, Space Truckin, Hard Lovin Man,
Child in Time - PROG PEARLS my frinds PROG PEARLS


Thats my opinion of course
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 18 2005 at 14:13
Don and Dewy by It's a Beautiful Day is a ''cover'' of Wring that neck.I think both bands sort of traded songs here.You copy my song,I copy yours. I don't understand why DP aren't in the archives,to me they sound prog enough,so does Golden Earring,especially their1969-77 material.Moontan is one of Holland's greatest prog album.It features Robert Stips,Supersister's keyboardist.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 18 2005 at 14:50
the only albums i like from DP is their 3 first releases with Evans as a vocalist...i can't stand gillan's voice and i never understood why they had to abandon this psychedelic  rock style for something heavier...anyway i believe that their best song is APRIL....just wonderful.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 18 2005 at 15:38
Deep Purple's most progressive album is probably "Fireball."  This album has great keyboards, awesome guitar, long jams with plenty of technical virtuosity, great vocals, and some wicked tradeoffs between the keyboards and guitar.  If you ask me, it has all the makings of a prog album that should be included here.  The song "The Mule" is pure progressive hard rock.  The album "Made In Japan" is also a very progressive album.  This double live set has all kinds of improvisations going on and the musicianship is incredible.  I know Deep Purple aren't a prog band "per say", and if someone asked me to describe their music I wouldn't say they were your classic progressive rock band, but they are much more progressive than some of the bands on this site.  Not that I'm complaining, I really enjoy this site and think it is one of the best run prog sites, if not the best.  Deep Purple's first three albums are pretty progressive too, though more of a hard psycadelic rock.  Machine Head and onward are more in the the classic hard rock category.  In Rock is probably the first true "Metal Album," and is also very progressive, ecspecially for it's time.  This album was ground breaking for the heavy music genre, and is a classic.  I'd love to see Deep Purple put on this site.  Though they aren't your clear cut progressive rock band in the definitive meaning of the word, I feel they have all the makings of the word progressive.  Just my thoughts.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 18 2005 at 15:41

Originally posted by Paulieg Paulieg wrote:

Deep Purple's most progressive album is probably "Fireball."

Not "Concerto with group and orchestra"?  Fireball is a good album still.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 19 2005 at 03:27

Originally posted by The Rock The Rock wrote:

Don and Dewy by It's a Beautiful Day is a ''cover'' of Wring that neck.I think both bands sort of traded songs here.You copy my song,I copy yours. I don't understand why DP aren't in the archives,to me they sound prog enough,so does Golden Earring,especially their1969-77 material.Moontan is one of Holland's greatest prog album.It features Robert Stips,Supersister's keyboardist.

Hate to disagree with you. Don And Dewey got seriously plagiated by Purple on Lazy (Machine Head)!

 

The Wring That Neck riff is maybe a bit akin to Don And Dewey but not that similar , either!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 19 2005 at 03:39
Originally posted by Eetu Pellonpää Eetu Pellonpää wrote:

Originally posted by Paulieg Paulieg wrote:

Deep Purple's most progressive album is probably "Fireball."


Not "Concerto with group and orchestra"?  Fireball is a good album still.


In my opinion the prog tendencies are more accentuated on the first three releases (Shades of Deep Purple, Book of Talyesin, Deep Purple), with Jon Lord firmly at the helm.
More recent tracks contain prog elements as well (the aforementioned Child in time, Highway Star, The Mule and some other gem like Burn, Rat Bat Blue, Fools or the latter day Knocking at your back door or Perfect Strangers)...but I think the real prog period of the band is in their first outputs.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 19 2005 at 06:12
Originally posted by Jaap Jaap wrote:

Hey evry'one, if you thought the intro riff of Deep Purple's best known song 'Child in Time' is very original, you all should hear a song called Bombay Calling, by It's a beautiful day, this song dates from 1969. To remind you Child in Time dates from 1970. Ofcourse Child in Time is much better, but it's very fun to know there's a song with a similair intro, released one year earlier..  



Been here before. To repeat: check the liner notes for both the 30th Anniversary In Rock and the twoforone IABD/Marrying Maiden  and the mutual acknowledgements kick in - and something not picked up inthis thread - JS Bach composed the original riff - and knowing a little about JSB he probably used it across several of his own compositions.

And to repeat, borrowing is common. Ian Drury's Sex and Drugs and Rock and Roll bass line was lifted from Charlie Haden playing on an Ornette Coleman album - subsequently Haden confessed to Drury he had nicked from a a traditional Cajun tune. Personal I love to hear one or two bars borrowed and dropped into a solo of different tune and out of the blue - e.g.  Hellborg borrows from Mclaughlin's Marbles as a brief ad lib on Time Is The Enemy track??? - indicate the musician's knowledge and ability to slip such things in.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 19 2005 at 08:54

Hi HAMMILL...i totally agree,those 3 first albums are superb psych/prog.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 19 2005 at 09:21

This thread's subject seems to have deviated quite far from the original, and that may be why it is removed somewhere else... And strangely, I started another thread today, for DP and Jon Lord being included in the archives. maybe it's in the wrong place though...

No need to say I totally agree with the opinions above.

So, all you who vote for DP, and especially Jon Lord, come and post in my thread! You might have a little time before it is removed, too

Conclusion: Why aren't DP and Jon Lord here while these bands are in:

Styx
Uriah Heep
Barclay James Harvest
Asia
Radiohead
Blackmore's Night (deep purple offshoot!!)
Warhorse (ditto!!!)
Captain Beyond (ditto!)
Jon Anderson

I already listed my reasons, http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8895&a mp;FID=3 so come and see!

(Back to the original subject: Child in Time also appears on CD release of the Concerto, which was originally released in late 1969 -but without CiT- , this means it was first perfomed in the same concert in RAH, apparently the two songs were written around the same time)

much to say on this issue, but it will probably go unnoticed,anyway!

keep on proggin'

Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret:
Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!)
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