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Posted: May 21 2004 at 06:17

Where and when did the following artists gather live :

Allan Holdsworth	:	guitar
Jack Bruce	:	bass, vocals
Didier Lockwood	:	violin
David Sancious	:	keyboards
Billy Cobham	:	drums

"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)

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Posted: May 21 2004 at 11:06

GATHERING OF MIND - MONTREAUX 23/07/83

http://sudo.3.pro.tok2.com/Quest/cards/J/JazzExplosionSuperb and/GatheringOfMinds.html

Do you have this bootleg? What's the sound like?

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Posted: May 21 2004 at 12:03

Danbo. You were faster than Dick.

I was just wondering if you or Dick could give me some informations on this album. I don't know anything about it, I was just surprised to see such a cast while searching for informations on Billy Cobham's discography. I am fond of all these artists and, like you, I am looking forward to hear some words by the only man who has an exhaustive knowledge of fusion : Dick Heath.

"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)

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Posted: May 21 2004 at 12:13

I know Allan gets pissed about bootlegs. I've read about this on the AH website, but Allan discourages members from discussing bootlegs. so members generally avoid the issue. Looks like an incredible line-up.

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Posted: May 25 2004 at 13:45

Sorry gentlemen I've been a bit slow finding this one.

I confess to having one AH bootleg bought at a UK record fair (and thought it was legit at the time), but haven't bought any since I found Mr Holdsworth is against them. But let's face it, he hadn't helped for two decades until suddenly releasing two live albums in 18 months very recently - and Gary Husband tells me there are others waiting for release! Anyway the boot I bought turned out to be the soundtrack off the Japanese laserdisc release (83?). Ironically the third earlier live release listed comes down to Paul Williams finding a label willing to issue that same soundtrack legit , but apparently with no agreement from the rest of the Holdsworth line-up!!!!!

Having long hoped that one of those dream bands of mine McLaughlin/Cobham/Bruce, would materialise, they did and I caught them 7 years later in '79 at the Rainbow. I was agrieved that no label recorded the line-up but as soon as the web grapevine was rattled, I had two offers of them on CD! Was it Goldberg or Sancious playing keys??? More details, contact me privately? BTW DVD boots of AH are floating including the legendary Bruford Rock Goes To College gig and Old Grey Whistle Test show I never knew existed until now.

Just read that the Montreaux gig with Billy Cobham and Tony Williams together is about to be released, with some tunes from William's "Joy Of Flying" and a monster drum battle featured!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ronnie Montrose on guitar.

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Posted: May 28 2004 at 08:12

One in 3 parts for you guys

a) Did Jack Bruce, Jon Hiseman and Allan Holdsworth give themselves a band names?

b) what are their recording demos (approx 30 minutes worth I can gather) usually called?

c) what albums did most of those demos eventually appear as tunes?

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Posted: May 28 2004 at 11:26

Got me on all three Dick. I knew they tried and failed to get signed, though I thought it was Gary Husband, not Jon Hiseman. I was also under the impression that the songs ended up being the first IOU album: IOU.

Are the demos available?

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Posted: May 28 2004 at 16:54

danbo wrote:

Are the demos available?

Actually Danbo part one was a genuine question for what I haven't got an answer, I thought somebody out there might know if they did. In part this is due to reading an interview with Jon Hiseman quite some time ago, saying they touted the demos to record companies, without using their own names and got nowhere - hence the assumption they must have had a band name.

I have heard what seems a 10th generation copy of what is called the "Sherwood Forest Tapes" which has precursors of tunes that ended up on Road Games and the next Jack Bruce album. Almost unlistenable because of hiss, but there have been some vague promises recently getting me close to a better copy. Williams Holdworth and Bruce's "Wildlife" Stockholm recordings are now doing the round - AH's solo on the first track (this was '75) is frightening. A copy even ended up in the offices of a well known British jazz magazine, and it appeared in their top ten play list for the month as being on a white label LOL

. Somebody as just lent me Bruford's Rock Goes To College and (what I never knew existed until a few weeks ago) Old Grey Whistle Test recordings on homemade DVD (had to get it back very quickly). And here's a hard one for you - who stood in for Jeff Berlin for the Grey Whistle Test show??? And I may be able to nail a loan of the the Montreaux gig with AH, Cobham Lockham et al - but whether on CD or cassette I can't tell yet.