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MorgothSunshine 
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Posted: June 29 2005 at 11:17 |
Why the hell a pure trash metal band is in the archive! They've nothing of prog...nothing more than Slayer or Pantera (great bands but absolutely not prog!!!)
I'm fighting for Kevin Ayers in the archives without any results, but they add Meshuggah!!!
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: June 29 2005 at 11:34 |
No offense, but only ignorant people confuse Trash with Thrash.
BTW: Meshuggah compare to Pantera as Dream Theater compare to Metallica ( in terms of complexity).
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Posted: June 29 2005 at 11:36 |
Yeah, I'm not sure if I agree with the addition of Meshuggah. They are more "progressive" than many metal bands, but they are more "math-metal" than anything. You may as well add Mudvayne or Isis. (again, good bands, but not really prog).
But then again, why not? I found this site while Google searching Dream theater, and found out how much great progressive music there is. Perhaps the same can happen for someone who searches for Meshuggah...
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Posted: June 29 2005 at 12:15 |
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I dont think they fit in well on the archives
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Posted: June 29 2005 at 12:18 |
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Why not? Obviously they're prog enough to spark discussion
here. No one complains about Sleepytime Gorilla Museum. I
don't see how the presence of a band on this site who is just
questionably prog to some people can get you mad, like it hurts you.
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glass house
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Posted: June 29 2005 at 12:20 |
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Meshuggah in the Archives ! Why not Fear Factory ??!!
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Posted: June 29 2005 at 12:22 |
 glass house wrote:
Meshuggah in the Archives ! Why not Fear Factory ??!! |
Those two bands couldn't be more different. Where's the connection?
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Posted: June 29 2005 at 12:32 |
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To MikeEnRegalia. My comment is pure irony. I do not think either of them belong in the archives
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Posted: June 29 2005 at 12:34 |
glass house wrote:
To MikeEnRegalia. My comment is pure irony. I do not think either of them belong in the archives |
I see ... well, I respect your opinion. In fact, of all the currently debated bands I wouldn't have expected Meshuggah to be included. But:
Their albums Nothing, I (EP) and Catch 33 are NOT thrash, but pure (extreme) Prog Metal.
Any opinions on those albums?
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WillieThePimp
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Posted: June 29 2005 at 12:42 |
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I think Meshuggah brings the same thing to prog as bands like Cynic
brought. How Cynic rose to progressive fame from the Florida death
scene is interesting to me, but then again maybe they were disputed
over in the progressive scene during the 90's just as Opeth, Meshuggah
or Dream Theater is today. To me, the only thing Meshuggah offers to
metal is the use of heavy, distorted guitars and raspy vocals. Other
than that, especially with their last two albums and the EP, I consider
them as progressive as PoS and DT.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: June 29 2005 at 12:48 |
WillieThePimp wrote:
I think Meshuggah brings the same thing to prog as bands like Cynic brought. How Cynic rose to progressive fame from the Florida death scene is interesting to me, but then again maybe they were disputed over in the progressive scene during the 90's just as Opeth, Meshuggah or Dream Theater is today. To me, the only thing Meshuggah offers to metal is the use of heavy, distorted guitars and raspy vocals. Other than that, especially with their last two albums and the EP, I consider them as progressive as PoE and DT.
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I agree ... they started as a complex thrash band (Destry Erase Improve, Chaosphere) and then continually PROGRESSED, leaving thrash behind, arriving at a truly awkward and very unique style.
BTW: What's PoE(S)? Edit: Thought as much ... and I totally agree. Isn't it great that you can say that Meshuggah is as prog as PoS, although they sound completely different? Infinite diversity in infinite combinations ...
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Posted: June 29 2005 at 12:51 |
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BTW: What's PoE? Pallet of Ernie?
It was a terrible typo and a hint to stay away from acronames..... (revision) PoS - Pain of Salvation, sorry!@
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Posted: June 29 2005 at 13:05 |
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I'm going to say one letter........."I"
That is reason alone for Meshuggah to be here.
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Logos
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Posted: June 29 2005 at 13:18 |
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"Nothing" is pure prog-metal.
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Posted: June 29 2005 at 13:20 |
Logos wrote:
"Nothing" is pure prog-metal. |
No, it isn't, Catch 33 is much more pure. Nothing's great, though. I read an interview with them and they said that Nothing was a bit of a work in progress ...
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Posted: June 29 2005 at 13:32 |
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Catch 33 is progressive if you listen to the whole album without stopping. It's basically one 47-minute progressive song divided in 13 parts. "I" is also progressive. The earlier period (91-98) is not that progressive but it still have some prog elements.
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Posted: June 29 2005 at 13:33 |
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I am glad Meshuggah is now in the archive.I have been a fan of this band from their first album and have watched this band progress from a death.thrash metal band to a prog metal sound.I think they ventured into prog metal territory with Nothing,and actually made it with the brilliant ep I(love it)and Catch 33.If Cynic and Opeth are in this archive Meshuggah should be too.BTW,has anyone ever heard of a Scandinavian band called Mnemic?They are in the same vein as Meshuggah.Very good band,check em out.
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Posted: June 29 2005 at 13:42 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
No offense, but only ignorant people confuse Trash with Thrash.
BTW: Meshuggah compare to Pantera as Dream Theater compare to Metallica ( in terms of complexity).
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Pardon my ignorance, but what is the difference?
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Posted: June 29 2005 at 13:42 |
I wonder... Meshuggah are obviously progressive, but so are some brutal death metal bands, like Morbid Angel, Cryptopsy, Suffocation or Gorguts. IMO they're not prog, though. I love all of those bands but I wouldn't want to see them in the archives - they have just too little in common with most of the bands here. I feel we should have at least some sort of common denominator for the inclusion of bands into the archives, or else the site risks losing focus.
This doesn't mean I'm going to bitch about Meshuggah in every thread devoted to them, though .
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Posted: June 29 2005 at 13:49 |
Hahaha. This is my EVIL post. 
Arsillus
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Meshuggah shouldn't be on here. Just because a band is complex doesn't mean they are "prog" or "prog-metal."
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