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moonchild 
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 Topic: Difficult to categorize
Posted: May 16 2004 at 15:01 |
It is difficult to categorize music now. Is it prog, goth, jazz, metal, classical, avant-garde? I like what I like, hehe. Some music defies categorization.
When The Mothers of Invention, King Crimson, Yes, Jethro Tull, and ELP started out it was just rock.
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Glass-Prison
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Posted: May 16 2004 at 15:17 |
What kind of music does Frank Zappa play? I think he is a category by himself 
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The Owl
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Posted: May 16 2004 at 16:45 |
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Magma pretty much invented their own genre!
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People are puzzled why I don't dig the Stones, well, I listened to the Stones, I tried, and I tried, and I tried, and--I Can't Get No Satisfaction!
www.myspace.com/theowlsmusic
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bityear
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Posted: May 16 2004 at 17:01 |
I've wondered about Spastic Ink - they're not too heavy to be metal, yet they're nothing like any rock or jazz I ever heard before, and they're just too weird to fit even under progressive...And, even if I could do with 'ultra-progressive', I still wouldn't know if they're jazz, rock or metal. Duh.
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Joren
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Posted: May 17 2004 at 06:44 |
Spastic Ink?
Is that an actual band?
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Joren
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Posted: May 17 2004 at 06:45 |
 moonchild wrote:
It is difficult to categorize music now. Is it prog, goth, jazz, metal, classical, avant-garde? I like what I like, hehe. Some music defies categorization.
When The Mothers of Invention, King Crimson, Yes, Jethro Tull, and ELP started out it was just rock.
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I thought the music of some bands was already called 'symphonic rock'...
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progchain
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Posted: May 17 2004 at 07:17 |
Why categorize?
Music, Mjuzik, Musique, Musik, Musica no categorize please!
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lucas
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Posted: May 17 2004 at 08:28 |
Joren wrote:
Spastic Ink?
Is that an actual band?
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Spastic Ink is the premier metal-prog/fusion band. Their musical abilities are incredible and their influences range from Zappa (for the fun), to Holdsworth (for the virtuosity) and Fates Warning (for the metal side). Their first LP "Ink complete" is truly mind-blowing and you won't hear anything similar in the world of fusion. A supergroup that should be added to the archives...
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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Joren
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Posted: May 17 2004 at 08:29 |
lucas wrote:
Joren wrote:
Spastic Ink?
Is that an actual band?
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Spastic Ink is the premier metal-prog/fusion band. Their musical abilities are incredible and their influences range from Zappa (for the fun), to Holdsworth (for the virtuosity) and Fates Warning (for the metal side). Their first LP "Ink complete" is truly mind-blowing and you won't hear anything similar in the world of fusion. A supergroup that should be added to the archives...
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Sounds great! I'll check it out!
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lucas
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Posted: May 17 2004 at 08:50 |
What about the second "Major impacts" by the Steve Morse Band ? You can hear classical music, progressive rock, cajun, bluegrass, stoner, heavy-metal, brit-pop, celtic balad, blues. The Dixie Dregs, the band Steve Morse co-founded with bassist Andy West in the mid-seventies, transcended already any classification as they blended rock, bluegrass, freeform jazz, jigs and Baroque/classical music.
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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Certif1ed
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Posted: May 17 2004 at 09:04 |
progchain wrote:
Why categorize?
Music, Mjuzik, Musique, Musik, Musica no categorize please!
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Why categorise? Well, you wouldn't want Mariah Carey to feature on this site, would you...?
D mn!!!
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moonchild
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Posted: May 17 2004 at 11:26 |
you mentioned her in MY thread? 
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Joren
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Posted: May 17 2004 at 12:29 |
sh*te! she's taking over! 
But I think Certif1ed is right.. it is weird that you're saying we shouldn't catagorize music, while you're on a forum of one of those catagories! 
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Marcelo
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Posted: May 17 2004 at 13:31 |
Some day will be just two categories: Good Music and Bad Music.
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progchain
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Posted: May 18 2004 at 08:03 |
Great Marcelo!
However,I said, say and ever will say that prog is beyond any categorization!!! 
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Joren
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Posted: May 18 2004 at 08:11 |
Marcelo wrote:
Some day will be just two categories: Good Music and Bad Music. |
they are already here!
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Dick Heath
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Posted: May 18 2004 at 08:49 |
moonchild wrote:
It is difficult to categorize music now. Is it prog, goth, jazz, metal, classical, avant-garde? I like what I like, hehe. Some music defies categorization.
When The Mothers of Invention, King Crimson, Yes, Jethro Tull, and ELP started out it was just rock.
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Jethro Tull on the basis of their first album "This was", was initially called one of the British Blues boom groups, rather belatedly and temporarily joining Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac, Chicken Shack, Savoy Brown, etc. Perhaps Nice is a better start point than ELP but all (except Mothers?) were put into the progressive music pigeonhole, because no other term was adequate. Actually that isn't absolutely correct; some would also been called underground bands.
Check out the 1970 Decca sampler, if you can find it: "Wowie Zowie: The World Of Progressive Music" or the much easier still to come by, the (much recommended) Decca 3 CD sampler of 2002: "Legend Of A Mind" (liner notes say a lot about underground music). The Island samplers: "You Can All Join In" and "El Pea", CBS's "Rock Machine Turns You On" (note the German version was different from the Uk version - both are worth finding), also indicate how loose the genre was back then.
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Certif1ed
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Posted: May 18 2004 at 12:09 |
"Rock Machine Turns You On"
You're dead right it's loosely categorised - I mean, Simon and Garfunkel ???
There is some really cool music on that LP, tho - and I like the "Allsorts" collections, which mainly featured the Who, Jimi Hendrix, Speedy Keen and Arthur Brown. I'm fairly sure there were 3: Coconut, Aniseed and Peppermint.
Mmm. Tasty!
There are some superb Harvest samplers too, on a more "prog" note - I'm after those Island samplers...
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Marcelo
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Posted: May 18 2004 at 14:56 |
My daughter (13 y.o.) represents the opinion of most of civilizated world, and to her progressive music is clearly in the "Bad" column. No comments. 
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