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    Posted: March 13 2010 at 19:46
So I recently received an acoustic guitar from my grand-mom (a Harmony Marquis, model no. 403 to be exact). But the problem is, its a right handed guitar and I play left handed. So the only thing me and my dad could come up with to make it left handed is **(EDIT!)** to reverse the nut. So that all the grooves look like it would as if it were left handed. I'll take a pic so that you can see, because I obviously suck at explaining!Cry**(End of Edit!)**
Now my question is: Will that slight modification (if you could call it that) harm the strings or affect the sound/playing?

-AP



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2010 at 20:28
Sell it and get a left handed guitar, unless you want to be playing a guitar with laughable intonation
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2010 at 20:46
If by 'take the nut and switch it around' you mean the flat surface is showing and the grooves are no longer guiding the strings onto the fretboard, I can't see this working very well.. the strings will not stay in place and, as Harry [Petrovsk] points out, your intonation - that is your guitar's ability to stay in tune - will be severely reduced.  You also risk a string popping right off the neck which will be hard to put back in place, and could begin to warp the neck by a constant decrease/increase in tension.

I guess you could try reversing the direction of the nut rather than flipping it over, though you may have to file the smaller grooves a bit so they'll fit the larger strings (your low E, A, etc.).. not sure if Jimi Hendrix did this or not

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2010 at 20:50
The problem with the switching the nut is the bridge saddles still remain as they are. It's not such a problem with the actual nut per se.
As the bridge saddles will still be configured for a right handed player, the intonation will suffer greatly
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2010 at 22:47
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:


I guess you could try reversing the direction of the nut rather than flipping it over, though you may have to file the smaller grooves a bit so they'll fit the larger strings (your low E, A, etc.).. not sure if Jimi Hendrix did this or not

Good luck


Sorry that's what I meant. I did reverse the direction NOT flip it over, geez now everyone thinks I'm an idiot!LOL
And I don't know where you guys come from, but where I live a left handed ANYTHING is very expensive! So even if I did sell it, I would have to somehow double what I make from it just to buy a left handed guitar, No thanks! 
 
But thanks Atavachron for the advice, I'll take a pic of it tomorrow so people will see what it looks like.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2010 at 22:48

...and hopefull that will clear things up.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2010 at 22:58
Originally posted by AmericanProgster AmericanProgster wrote:

So I recently received an acoustic guitar from my grand-mom (a Harmony Marquis, model no. 403 to be exact). But the problem is, its a right handed guitar and I play left handed. So the only thing me and my dad could come up with to make it left handed is **(EDIT!)** to reverse the nut. So that all the grooves look like it would as if it were left handed. I'll take a pic so that you can see, because I obviously suck at explaining!Cry**(End of Edit!)**
Now my question is: Will that slight modification (if you could call it that) harm the strings or affect the sound/playing?

-AP

There that's what I meant! Sheesh, just lookin for advice. Just assume that I want to keep this guitar and I'm determined to modify so I can use it! I want no talk of selling it!LOL

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2010 at 23:18
 ^ in that case yes, as I said it is a reasonable solution--  just be mindful that the 3 lowest wound strings will not rest properly in the nut grooves unless all 6 grooves are of equal concavity, so you'd either have to hope they don't slip or carefully widen the smaller grooves to accommodate the D, A and low E


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2010 at 23:21
You're still going to have intonation problems no matter what because of the bridge saddles not being in the correct locations to accommodate the fact the strings will be in the opposite spots from where they were (i.e, the 6th now in the 1st, 5th now in 2nd etc)
You seem to refuse to believe that or something, because I've posted it twice now and it seems you wont bother to heed that warning:wallbash:
Save yourself the hassle, and find a left handed guitar on ebay or anywhere on the used market.

And btw, intonation is a very basic concept one should know about. I don't consider myself a guitar expert by any means, it's just something one should know about guitars if they intend to use them regularly.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2010 at 23:24
he wants to keep it Harry and can't afford another one, so it sounds like it's this or nothing.. yes he'll have tuning problems but no more than someone with a whammy bar or just a bad guitar


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2010 at 23:33
But the thing is, if he sold it off and bought something on the used market, he'd come out about even though.
His choice I guess, but there are plenty of great used bargains if one is willing to look.
I do know Ibanez make a few left handed models that can be found used for great pricesSmile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2010 at 23:41
good point, up to him I guess
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2010 at 00:24
Just did a quick search for left hand nut and they are available for accoustics. If it is classical, the bridge is straight on these, so shouldn't be a problem. 

addition- just looked it up and it is steel string, so you have the problem of the angle on the bridge to deal with as well. Being a lefty player myself, I sympathise. I once tried to change the bridge angle on a relatively inexpensive ibanez many many years ago with very dubious results.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2010 at 09:23
I'm  not refusing to believe what you're saying Petrovsk, why do you think I asked? It's just that at the moment this is the best I can do. Now, obviously, I will eventually buy either the proper lefthanded parts or a new guitar all together. But not at this moment. Which is why I'm looking for an alternate solution. So I thank you for your input, I'm not about to ignore anything from people who know something about guitars.
 
By the way, my dad says this guitar is a beginners folk guitar, if that means anything different.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2010 at 09:31
I'm left handed and I play the guitar right handed. So my advice: Learn it the right way.Big smile If you think about it, when you're playing the guitar right handedly, the left hand does the complex stuff anyway.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2010 at 09:31
Now, I'm looking at the guitar and (probably because of my lack of knowledge, but) it looks fine. All the strings are fitting into the grooves nicely. I know I still have to worry about the tone, but my dad has been playing for about 40 years (well at least 10 years playing seriously). So I would like to think he would know if this was a waist of time or not. The fact that he said it should be fine makes me confident BUT I will be catious and always aware of its tone and condition. So in the meantime I will have to wait a while for the strings to set...or whatever (again lack of knowledge, so if you'll excuse it!) before I can test it out and compare it to my dad's guitar.
 
Thanks guys for all the help.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2010 at 09:36
 
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2010 at 09:41

I couldn't delete my post so I'm just changing it this way.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2010 at 09:43
^ well, a deformity of the ring finger ... you have to decide how to deal with it. If you're going for acoustic guitar finger picking, obviously you won't be able to do that then on a right handed guitar. On the other hand (Wink), if you're going to play with a pick, that might work ... and in that case the deformity might interfere with your playing less on a right handed guitar than on a left handed guitar. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2010 at 09:48
Well its too late anywayTongue, I already have a left handed bass and a left handed electric guitar.
 
So stop contradicting me, its making me confuzzled!LOL
 
Trust me though Mr ProgFreak, I've thought about this for a while and the choice for me to play left handed is the best. Thanks though!
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