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    Posted: February 03 2004 at 23:39
I'm not sure, but I think this could be a battle.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 03 2004 at 23:58

Ermm I guess to answer that one, Danbo, we'd have to first narrow the field down to some choice '69 - '70 agreeably prog albums, then try to find out who got together and began composing their music first. (Hmmm... Lots of work, and we'd still never all agree.)

Evil Smile Or, I could take a "leap into the breach" (Damn the torpedoes!) and say: KING CRIMSON.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2004 at 00:31

First Prog bands in my opinion:

Pink Floyd

King Crimson

Soft Machine

Caravan

Yes

Family

Procol Harum

The Nice

 

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2004 at 03:16
Hmmmmmm - I think it would be between Procul Harum, The Moody Blues (stop laughing at the back! ), The Nice or Pink Floyd.

It's early in this thread, but nobody yet has mentioned Sergeant Pepper - brilliant album without doubt, but prog / proto-prog, nah!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2004 at 08:07
WELL I WOULD SAY THE BEATLES WITH THEIR SGT PEPPER ALBUM AND PINK FLOYD, MOODY BLUES, ZAPPA ETC ALL THE 60S ARTISTS ANYWAY
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2004 at 08:15
 I AM NOT GOING TO TOUCH THIS ONE!!!....but i will watch from the sidelines!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2004 at 08:40

Starcastle!!

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2004 at 11:19

Alexander, I guess that would pretty much be the list to draw from...If Piper at the Gates of Dawn by Floyd qualifies that might be the first.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2004 at 16:05
I also forgot to meantion Frank Zappa!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2004 at 21:21
If you call Freak Out progressive rock, then that would pretty much be it, I'd think, '66 right? I wonder if they're going to undertake putting Frank on the site? That'd take some time, I'm sure...I've always thought Uncle Meat was among his best stuff.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2004 at 21:51

Originally posted by Gonghobbit Gonghobbit wrote:

If you call Freak Out progressive rock, then that would pretty much be it, I'd think, '66 right? I wonder if they're going to undertake putting Frank on the site? That'd take some time, I'm sure...I've always thought Uncle Meat was among his best stuff.

Yes, released in 1966. I think adding Zappa would be a good Idea, but very time consuming considering he has such a vast catolouge.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2004 at 23:24

In the strictest sense, I'd have to agree largely with PROGMAN.  In any case, the first three prog "albums" were Sgt. Pepper, Day of Future Past (The Moody Blues openly admit Pepper's influence) and Piper at the Gates of Dawn (Floyd openly admits a serious respect for, if not direct influence by, Pepper).

Yet even though I myself propose (elsewhere on the site) that there is a difference between an artist accidentally "stumbling" upon "progressive sensiibilites" (or even applying them consciously at times) and an artist whose overall "approach" to songwriting/arrangement/production are "progressive," I'm not sure that Sgt. Pepper - which was clearly a "conscious" effort - makes The Beatles a progressive band.  Certainly the Moodies and Floyd were progressive bands.

But were they the first?  Possibly, if (again) we are talking about applying "progressive sensibilities" in a deliberate, conscious way as an overall "approach" and not just an accident or an "occasional" thing.

If the simple fact of "hitting upon" "progressive sensibilities" is enough to qualify a band as "prog," some of the early ones would be Procol Harum, The Nice, probably Zappa, and maybe even Iron Butterfly (someone made a good case in another thread for "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida being the first truly prog rock song...).

Still, for my money, the first truly prog bands were The Moody Blues, Pink Floyd, and King Crimson.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 05 2004 at 00:21
 Whew! Thanks Maani! I was afraid I'd be the only one who said Crimson. As far as "widely-accepted" prog albums go, I still find the years '69 & '70 to have been critical ones for the start (or "genesis") of the serious progressive movement. I wouldn't really try to pick one band, though, because we'd need a time machine and a "written in stone" iron-clad definition of "Progressive Rock" to settle this one! (Fun topic, anyway!)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 05 2004 at 00:23

I realise this is an idiosyncratic position, but what the hell:

I think prog was made possible by (and started with) Dylan's "Like a Rolling Stone" because:

  • it made it possible to imagine a rock song on the radio that lasted more than 4 minutes,
  • it had lyrics which were literate and sharp and not about lurve,
  • it emphasised the use of keyboards as a primary musical device (the organ),
  • it challenged categories and pre-conceptions about rock music.

Zappa wrote somewhere that when he first heard it he thought he would never need to make an album because it did everything he wanted. Unfortunately the changes he thought it would produce never came...

Prog itself developed without such a blues base, as we know, but it was this song IMO that started it all.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 05 2004 at 14:28

I've read that Pepper and Piper were being recorded at the same time right down the hall from each other, I wonder how aware of each other's efforts they were then. Does 'Tomorrow Never Knows' off of Revolver qualify as progressive? Pretty adventurous for the time, '66, must have freaked some people out then; what an experience it must have been seeing the Beatles go from Help to Revolver in a year or so.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2004 at 22:22

Gonghobbit:

Actually, Pepper was written a few months earlier.  Floyd began recording Piper as The Beatles were nearing the end of their Pepper sessions (Floyd used to "pop in" to watch).

Re "Tomorrow Never Knows," I posited on a different thread (and Peter Rideout sort of concurred, in a way...) that The Beatles almost unquestionably had "proto-prog" sensibilities before anyone else.  In this regard, I would posit that even "Think for Yourself" (from Rubber Soul, early 1966) had inklings of progressive sensibilities.  But I would agree with you that TNK (as well as a couple of others on Revolver) were definitely proto-progressive, with TNK being the most obvious.

Good call.  (P.S. Don't forget that they actually went from Help to Rubber Soul, and then to Revolver.)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2004 at 06:28

Have you guys heard "S.F. Sorrow" by The Pretty Things?  The recording sessions for that album were also concurrent with Pepper and Piper, and it is also a very psychedelic, very good, album.  It sort of got buried in time for no good reason, because it certainly stands up with the other two..

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2004 at 15:53
Originally posted by corbet corbet wrote:

Have you guys heard "S.F. Sorrow" by The Pretty Things?  The recording sessions for that album were also concurrent with Pepper and Piper, and it is also a very psychedelic, very good, album.  It sort of got buried in time for no good reason, because it certainly stands up with the other two..

I believe David Gilmour from Pink Floyd is featured on that one.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2004 at 18:54

I'll go with uriah Heep followed by Yes

By the way is Alan Parsons considered progressive

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 09 2004 at 09:46
Originally posted by corbet corbet wrote:

Starcastle!!

Not that I hate them or anything, but.....  <SMILIE>

 <SMILIE>

And I would suggest that The Who were going in a progressive direction as early as anyone.  I think that John Lennon and Pete Townshend were big influences on each other.



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