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    Posted: June 06 2007 at 17:06
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One of the hottest podcast, music and culture sites around - Dusty Wright's Culture Catch - asked me to contribute an article on the most essential prog albums of all time.  After six months of writing, editing and wrangling, the article has finally been published.  I hope you all like it!
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2007 at 17:11
Some interesting choices there maani, especially the last. This should generate some interesting discussion. Nice to see PA mentioned as "the number one prog website in the world"
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2007 at 17:17
I disagree with some of your choices (naturally, compiling such a list is near impossible), but the article is brilliantly written, so congratulations on that! Clap
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2007 at 17:21
No Canterbury Scene? Cry

Oh well...you do have some good choices though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2007 at 17:21
Clap Well written, Ian, and a great selection, which (as you indicate by referring to flying CDs) will not be anyone's. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2007 at 17:32
Great maani, your choices are fine and it is really well written-- clean, authoritative and fun.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2007 at 17:50
Great list. There are a few albums I'm not familiar with, but as for the rest, I very much like that list. Let us know when the next section is posted!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2007 at 19:05

A decent effort Maani and in fact a 'mission impossible' because choosing 12 essential progrock albums is always subjective and so you will receive critical remarks in this thread. My personal opinion:

- I have problems with your analysis about Steve Hackett on SEBTP: "moody minimalist guitar work", that does harm to his creative and subtle way of playing guitar, way from minimal!
- Personally I had gone for a more adventurous way of choosing, not only UK bands but also bands like Ange (Guet-Apens), Triana (they speerheaded the Prog Andaluz) and I would have chosen an album by Rush (A Farewell To Kings or Moving Pictures) because of their innovative and adventurous blend of several styles.
- Marillion speerheaded the neo-prog movement so my vote had gone to their first album, that's such a pivotal album, the 'In The Court Of The Crimson King' of The Eighties!
 
Good luck Maani, thanks for this interesting thread Thumbs%20Up
 
                                             
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2007 at 20:17
Out of all the lists I've seen on the internet for essential prog albums, this probably stands as the one I agree with most, though there are omissions as there always will be with such a small number to fill. Marillion's debut, Rush's Hemispheres, Ayreon's The Human Equation and a fair number of others could make their case, but as for capturing the spirit of pure syphonic prog it's a great list.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2007 at 21:07
Great article and a good job on a nearly impossible task.  Naturally, I don't agree with every choice but a great list nonetheless.

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I look over the list again and think that a couple of bands should have been included - namely Camel (Moonmadness, Snow Goose or Mirage) and VDGG (Godbluff, Pawn Hearts or H to He, Who Am the Only One).  Personally, I would have chosen one of the great Rush albums (A Farewell to Kings or Hemispheres).

BTW - I am listening to your Klaatu - Hope album right now.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2007 at 21:14
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Talk about trying to get a quart into a pint-pot!
A Canterbury Scene example would have been nice, but at the expense of what? Tough call.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2007 at 02:10
Very well done.  I believe it is interesting for both a novice and one who is more experienced with prog (especially with those surprises at the end).  Great job.  Can't wait to read the next one.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2007 at 03:51
Nice article and a jolly good read. Thanks Maani
 
(although if I'm nitpicking then Brain Salad Surgery is the best ELP album and Wish You Were Here is the best Floyd album IMO..although its your choice of course not mine)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2007 at 06:31
I would agree with ITCOTCK through to SEBTP (although I would probably replace 'Threshold of a Dream' with 'Days of Future Passed' I would say that was more 'important' as a prog album.

But Zappa onward I would say are not 'seminal prog albums' Good but not seminal. I would say that Camels Mirage or Snowgoose should be in there, along with Rush '2112' VDGG 'Pawn Hearts' and a Cantebury album (I'm no Canterbury expert, but perhaps Caravans Land of Grey and Pink or Hatfields 'Rotters Club' could have covered that subgenre.

Just my opinions..
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2007 at 06:53
Originally posted by darqdean darqdean wrote:

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Talk about trying to get a quart into a pint-pot!
A Canterbury Scene example would have been nice, but at the expense of what? Tough call.


Hm. I know its subjective and all that, but completely leaving out Canterbury from the english-speaking scene? Klaatu more essential than Soft Machine: Third or Robert Wyatt: Rock Bottom

When you got Yes in there, there's really no need for a Rick Wakeman solo.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2007 at 07:18
Nice article! I agree with most of your list, but I would have selected a different album for Zappa (Hot Rats or Grand Wazoo) which shows more of his Jazz-Rock/Fusion side, and I would have included Van der Graaf Generator's Pawn Hearts or H to He instead of the Moody Blues album.

BTW: I recently bought Klaatu - Hope in a record store because I remembered the cover from your avatar ... nice album!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2007 at 09:19
Bravo!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2007 at 14:08
All:
 
Thank you for your many kind comments.  Yes, a "mission impossible" it was.  Let me respond to some specific comments.
 
Chopper: According to a top Internet database, in 2006 Progarchives was among the top 100 most visited music websites - of ANY genre.  And since it was the only prog site on the list, this makes it the #1 prog site in the world.  I was not kidding.
 
Progismylife:  Re Canterbury, even Dusty (the owner of the site) asked me about that.  Yes, I was sad to feel the need to eliminate an entire "school" of prog.  Certainly Camel and Caravan deserve mention (as well as Hatfield and National Health).  But other "schools" also went unmentioned.  Hopefully, I will be able to rectify this in a future list.
 
Erik:  re Steve Hackett, although he can certain solo well and will occasionally use multi-note fills, I think of his general approach as "minimalist" - a "less is more" style; he prefers a few well-placed notes (often with bends, volume effects, etc.) to the Petrucci method (not to take anything from Petrucci, whose style is appropriate for that genre).  Re Rush and Marillion, they will appear in the neo-prog list.  Yes, I know Rush kind of predates neo-prog; they really straddle the line between seminal and neo.  But I will be giving them top honors in the next list.  As well, Marillion will be there, though I have not made an absolute choice yet.
 
1800iareyay: As noted, Marillion and Rush will appear on the neo-prog list.  I am not sure I will include Ayreon, though I will try.
 
Rushaholic: As with the Canterbury scene, I was definitely sad not to include a VDGG album - though, at the risk of further debate (LOL), I am not certain they qualify as "essential" in the way I meant.  True, they were early and important.  But they had little or no influence on other groups - and, to be honest, if I am on a desert island, I am not certain that Hamill's personal angst and paranoia is what I want to listen to every day!
 
Richardh: I opted for ELP over BSS because of its historical significance vis-a-vis prog in general.  I also happen to like it about equally with Trilogy and BSS.  Re WYWH, this was another impossible choice.  Again, DSOTM for its significance and brilliance.  And although I chose Animals as second, WYWH and Animals are, to me, a tie.
 
Blacksword: Re Threshold v. Days, I was able to have my cake and eat it too by noting the importance of Days in the text, but choosing Threshold.  I think the meaning is clear.
 
Rocktopus: My choice of Klaatu was admittedly a personal one.  Clearly Klaatu is not as influential or "essential" as Soft Machine, VDGG, Caravan et al.  However, having chosen 12 top-notch albums, I felt I had the right to make one personal choice, even if it was highly controversial.  After all, as the text notes, if I am going to be on a desert island and can't bring any Beatles, and want something "light" but proggy, Klaatu fits the bill perfectly!
 
Thanks again for all your marvelous comments!
 
Peace to all!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2007 at 14:54
Perfect beginner`s guide to prog Thumbs%20Up I couldn`t do it because I`d be including all kinds of wacked out s***  like Vangelis-Beauborg, Guru Guru-UFO, Hawkwind - Space Ritual etc. etc. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2007 at 15:00
Originally posted by maani maani wrote:

 
Rushaholic: As with the Canterbury scene, I was definitely sad not to include a VDGG album - though, at the risk of further debate (LOL), I am not certain they qualify as "essential" in the way I meant.  True, they were early and important.  But they had little or no influence on other groups - and, to be honest, if I am on a desert island, I am not certain that Hamill's personal angst and paranoia is what I want to listen to every day!
 


Only if your island stay was short! Smile


Edited by rushaholic - June 07 2007 at 15:01
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