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    Posted: January 24 2007 at 09:30

I'm proposing addition of the Sex Pistols on the ProgArchives website.

Before someone kills me or jumps into conclusion that these punks recorderd a symphonic conceptual masterpiece never published, let me explain:

They could be included in any category: prog-related, neo-prog, metal, non-prog, various artists, I don't care. But only one album by them, "Never mind the b*ll*cks".

They should be treated as any other band here: band entry, track listing, picture, availability to rate and review, inclusion in top 100(00000)....

Exceptions are:
1) their reviews shouldn't appear on the front page
2) band's entry should be "petrified" by administrators; e.g. no-one should be able to add new albums.

Why they should be here?

By letting the Pistols on PA, every forum member will be able to bash them, rate them with one star, to canalise and focus one's negative energy on one hated point.

They should be here for pure therapeutic   reasons.

Maybe then people will stop saying "I think prog-metal/electronic/post/neo/prog-related/proto/whatever is crap and I hate it, the band ABCXYZ shouldn't be here."

After that, maybe we will became able to discuss and share knowledge about our most beloved musical genre, progressive rock.

I apologise in advance if administrators think that this is not appropriate thread for this section; please, feel free to remove it into "help us improve the site" section if necessary.

However, I'm deadly serious.


postscriptum: it doesn't have to be Pistols necessary. Any widely prog-hated album should do; any of Justin Timberlake's or Celine Dion's albums. Same rules apply. Well, you get my picture.

Peace.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2007 at 09:34
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2007 at 09:38
I don't care how serious you are,this is ridiculous.

I will not move it,I am simply closing it.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2007 at 12:39
I closed this thread because I thought the proposal was ludicrous,and I perceive it as an abuse of the Suggest section.

If you all want the bands you Suggest to be taken seriously I would suggest to you all to not post "joke" topics here.

If the topic creator was trying to stimulate debate over controversial additions or whatever,a thread in the appropriate section would have been a better idea.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2007 at 12:48
Originally posted by clarke2001 clarke2001 wrote:

I'm proposing addition of the Sex Pistols on the ProgArchives website.Before someone kills me or jumps into conclusion that these punks recorderd a symphonic conceptual masterpiece never published, let me explain:They could be included in any category: prog-related, neo-prog, metal, non-prog, various artists, I don't care. But only one album by them, "Never mind the b*ll*cks".They should be treated as any other band here: band entry, track listing, picture, availability to rate and review, inclusion in top 100(00000)....Exceptions are:1) their reviews shouldn't appear on the front page2) band's entry should be "petrified" by administrators; e.g. no-one should be able to add new albums.Why they should be here?By letting the Pistols on PA, every forum member will be able to bash them, rate them with one star, to canalise and focus one's negative energy on one hated point. They should be here for pure therapeutic   reasons.Maybe then people will stop saying "I think prog-metal/electronic/post/neo/prog-related/proto/whatever is crap and I hate it, the band ABCXYZ shouldn't be here."After that, maybe we will became able to discuss and share knowledge about our most beloved musical genre, progressive rock.I apologise in advance if administrators think that this is not appropriate thread for this section; please, feel free to remove it into "help us improve the site" section if necessary.However, I'm deadly serious.postscriptum: it doesn't have to be Pistols necessary. Any widely prog-hated album should do; any of Justin Timberlake's or Celine Dion's albums. Same rules apply. Well, you get my picture.Peace. 

    
I was quite amused reading this.

for implementation the idea is too absurd to be taken seriously, but it makes sense to me.



BTW it would provide me with an opportunity to propose P.I.L. for inclusion in prog-related
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2007 at 13:12
Interesting idea. I'm not sure if it would work though. But I think it's worth a try.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2007 at 13:19
I just want to point out that the real offense of this proposal (IMO of course) is that the central idea is that essentially all prog fans hate the Sex Pistols.

Where would one get that idea? I think Bollocks is a great album, and I bet a lot of members agree. Even if you don't agree, do many people around here actually harbor strong animosity towards the band?

Sure, the dawning of the age of punk was the death knell for classic prog, but I doubt that means there is a strong resentment towards punk here. Maybe I'm wrong ... I'm curious to hear other views on the subject.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2007 at 13:24

After the topic was closed, I've sent a PM to Progtologist; although there was no reply, I see the topic is now reopened. Thanks, Ghost Rider for understanding, and also thanks to Progtologist for doing his job promptly (although I disagree with the decision).

You can describe my post/thread as ironic, ridiculous, distasteful, even blaspheming - and I agree to some extent, but my intentions are to rise a constructive debate.
I don't think that  my proposition will ever see the light of the day, however  I still  think  that  inclusion of any non-prog entry will emphasize prog entries and their qualities and characteristics in a good way.

As I said, I tried to develop the constructive and fruitful discussion here, and my mistake is that I used a trigger that is waaay too "close to the edge".
To Progtologist: my post was not a "joke" post in any way. Actually, after seeing too many threads with intolerance and almost hating atmosphere on certain prog subgenres, the whole thing left quite bitter taste in my mouth. Not a joke at all.

I explained my intentions very clearly in a PM to administrator and I won't be repeating myself further on, but I will repeat one thing:

My intention was not to trivialize informations, work or members of PA in any way.

If anyone feel offended because of subject of my thread, I apologise.

To Ghost Rider: you don't have to worry, there shouldn't be signs of any intolerant or aggressive behaviour. Let's keep it civil.

The same goes for any thread, right?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2007 at 13:26
I agree with above post. Sex Pistols was not that bad. we have this Popstars winner called Jane here who would be even better for the cause, though I guess more people have heard Sex Pistols.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2007 at 13:47
I didn't understand a single thing out of the therapeutical thing.
 
1. to add non-prog bands so to bash them? Confused
2. to add only one album of a band? Confused
3. to not allow access to a band? Confused
4. to not allow a band a fair review result (meaning tops, artist image appreciation etc.) Confused 
5. to call a band that's not prog a band for all possible prog genres? Confused
6. to be deadly serious, but to act confusingly?  Confused
7. to propose, promote and consider possible a band that isn't prog by A THOUSAND MILES?! Confused
 
besides points 1 to 7, upon the last things I'll agree in this life of mine is for Sex Pistols/Celine Dion/J. Timberlake to be added...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2007 at 13:56
1. to add non-prog bands so to bash them?
2. to add only one album of a band?
3. to not allow access to a band?
4. to not allow a band a fair review result (meaning tops, artist image appreciation etc.)
5. to call a band that's not prog a band for all possible prog genres?
6. to be deadly serious, but to act confusingly?
7. to propose, promote and consider possible a band that isn't prog by A THOUSAND MILES?!

besides points 1 to 7, upon the last things I'll agree in this life of mine is for Sex Pistols/Celine Dion/J. Timberlake to be added...


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IŽll give you the first 6 points, but the 7th is open for discussion.

IŽll trade it for Peter gabriel though

But a non/prog band in a discussion can help us realise what it means to be progressive, and work as a bonding thing between us proggers.

Though I would have taken Mariah Carey for that purpose, and not the by many proggers loved punk band. Of course Mariah Carey is already used for obsolete silly things.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2007 at 14:58
Punk rock was more a fashion movement than moving music forward, it was the antithesis of Prog, and definitely has no place here! Shocked 
 
as for being not bad, the spitting Sex Pistols were only not bad compared to James Blunt or Beyonce Wink
 
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2007 at 15:07
Originally posted by tuxon tuxon wrote:

1. to add non-prog bands so to bash them?
2. to add only one album of a band?
3. to not allow access to a band?
4. to not allow a band a fair review result (meaning tops, artist image appreciation etc.)
5. to call a band that's not prog a band for all possible prog genres?
6. to be deadly serious, but to act confusingly?
7. to propose, promote and consider possible a band that isn't prog by A THOUSAND MILES?!

besides points 1 to 7, upon the last things I'll agree in this life of mine is for Sex Pistols/Celine Dion/J. Timberlake to be added...


..................

IŽll give you the first 6 points, but the 7th is open for discussion.

IŽll trade it for Peter gabriel though

But a non/prog band in a discussion can help us realise what it means to be progressive, and work as a bonding thing between us proggers.

Though I would have taken Mariah Carey for that purpose, and not the by many proggers loved punk band. Of course Mariah Carey is already used for obsolete silly things.
 
tux, seems I'm in heavy to weird polemics with you lately, sure it isn't...intentional? Tongue
 
no problem towards having an eye towards what's progressive by what's progressive (and, by punk, what actually killed the prog star Wink), but we're talking artist's inclusion, appartenences etc. in other words, no problem realising what prog means by observing Sex Pistols and co., but surely outside prog archives.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2007 at 15:13
sex pistols is anti prog ,they are famous but ,i listen one cd of their hits,and i only listen 20 sec of each song  because that music is horrible is like go to the dentist for an extraction. without anestecia

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2007 at 15:25
Not again Sleepy.
 
Personally I think Never Mind The Bollocks is infinitely better than Abacab, Love Beach and the Big Generator combined, and I'd sooner be stranded on a desert island with that as my only music than I would with the entire recorded output of Dream Theater. Of course it's not prog - even at the time the musical content was actually quite retro, with only John Lydon's vocals and lyrics having any trace of originality (and he was the one who liked Can, Peter Hammill and Captain Beefheart).
 
I can think of far better candidates for the token one star album to be sl*gged off (Chris De Burgh, James f***ing Blunt and Michael Bolton all spring to mind), but what's the point? There has been enough substandard dross released by prog's big names without us importing the dregs from other genres.
 
And the assumption that prog fans will automatically hate the Sex Pistols is extremely patronising and narrow minded.
 
Aside from that, it's a fine idea.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2007 at 15:25
Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Originally posted by tuxon tuxon wrote:

1. to add non-prog bands so to bash them? 2. to add only one album of a band? 3. to not allow access to a band? 4. to not allow a band a fair review result (meaning tops, artist image appreciation etc.) 5. to call a band that's not prog a band for all possible prog genres? 6. to be deadly serious, but to act confusingly? 7. to propose, promote and consider possible a band that isn't prog by A THOUSAND MILES?! besides points 1 to 7, upon the last things I'll agree in this life of mine is for Sex Pistols/Celine Dion/J. Timberlake to be added... .................. IŽll give you the first 6 points, but the 7th is open for discussion. IŽll trade it for Peter gabriel though [IMG]smileys/smiley2.gif" align=middle> But a non/prog band in a discussion can help us realise what it means to be progressive, and work as a bonding thing between us proggers. Though I would have taken Mariah Carey for that purpose, and not the by many proggers loved punk band. Of course Mariah Carey is already used for obsolete silly things.


 

tux, seems I'm in heavy to weird polemics with you lately, sure it isn't...intentional? [IMG]height=17 alt=Tongue src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle>

 

no problem towards having an eye towards what's progressive by what's progressive (and, by punk, what actually killed the prog star [IMG]height=17 alt=Wink src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle>), but we're talking artist's inclusion, appartenences etc. in other words, no problem realising what prog means by observing Sex Pistols and co., but surely outside prog archives.

    

I enjoy watching the ricochet of my friendly fire

I want to observe the sex pistons inside progarchives. And i don't know what polemics mean.

anyway. back on subject.

I do not favour the Sex pistols or any non-prog-related band in the archives as entry, but within discussion these bandns can be used to numerous benefits of us proggers.

A common enemy, a mutual disinterest, a short break from real music discussion, let's all gang up on the weakest entry and bash it's ugly head in and so form friendships unimagined before. But let the weakest entry be a non-prog artist so we do not hurt someone we actually care about.

and of course we all have tea with a cookie afterwards.


    

Edited by tuxon - January 24 2007 at 15:26
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2007 at 15:28
oh,okay, go ahead and go endlessly with discussion, but I believe that the bold words of this topic's first post is "I'm proposing addition of the Sex Pistols for the ProgArchives website".
 
polemics are heavy talk between two or several or fiery discussions. Wink
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2007 at 17:04
No, we'll still get people who want to sl*g off Dream Theater/Rush/Yes/Genesis/whoever.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2007 at 17:07
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

No, we'll still get people who want to sl*g off Dream Theater/Rush/Yes/Genesis/whoever.


Don't forget Tool!!!!!!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2007 at 18:58
   I think I see the point in this.... Maybe the perosn who suggested this was LITERALLY suggesting this, but then maybe it's an astute way of having us discuss how come we get so excited in extra-musical arguments that don't lead nowhere or how we let ourselves become so passionated that we either bash an artist without actually giving him any chance or worship and revere him without sitting down and checking for flaws.... Whatever purpose, this thread is, to my liking, not as useless as many do. Of course this subject could have been better discussed in a prog lounge, but then again, what better way to entice people to answer immediately than to see "sex pistols addition" as the topic's name? I think it was a great inverse-sicology maneuver.... Bad thing is, the results weren't that good.

But no matter what i said, whoever bashes DT without equilibrium will have to meet my flaming sword!

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