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AlexDeLarge 
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 Topic: Why isn't TaaB #1 in the top 100 chart?
Posted: April 23 2006 at 12:08 |
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TaaB has 4.69 grade and is #6, whilst CTTE has 4.57 and is #1. Someone fix please?
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Vompatti
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Posted: April 23 2006 at 12:13 |
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It isn't just about the rating, the top 100 is based on some kind of complex algorithm that us mortals can't understand.
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Ty1020
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Posted: April 23 2006 at 12:16 |
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Yeah, if it were just about ratings, then the multitude of unknown
albums that have each received only one rating of 5 stars would take
over the top spot. The top 100 takes into account the average rating as
well as the number of ratings. There may be other factors, but I'm not
sure what they are.
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Tenth Chaffinch
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Posted: April 23 2006 at 12:17 |
 Vompatti wrote:
It isn't just about the rating, the top 100 is based on some kind of complex algorithm that us mortals can't understand. |
thats hilarious
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Ghandi 2
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Posted: April 23 2006 at 12:26 |
Because the rankings are also based on the number of votes, so the albums with one five star vote aren't on top. And since CTTE has a lot more reviews than any other album on here, there is no way that it could not be number one. Even though every other album in the top 6 has a higher rating than it.
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AlexDeLarge
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Posted: April 23 2006 at 12:29 |
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Pity...Thick as a Brick is a much better album than Close to the Edge. I don't even know what CTTE is doing in top 10...
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: April 23 2006 at 12:30 |
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It's really simple: The more reviews an album has, the more weight is given to it's average. The only complex thing about the formular is that a logarithmic function is used to limit this effect of the number of ratings.
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HeirToRuin
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Posted: April 23 2006 at 13:42 |
AlexDeLarge wrote:
Pity...Thick as a Brick is a much better album than
Close to the Edge. I don't even know what CTTE is doing in top 10...
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It's in the top 10 because a lot of people think very highly of it. 
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stan the man
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Posted: April 23 2006 at 13:49 |
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true as a lobster in a pteredaktyl's underpants.
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Dr. Occulator
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Posted: April 23 2006 at 14:10 |
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Simple: The reason is because TaaB is only 1/6th as good as CTTE.
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My Doc Told Me I Have Doggie Head.
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Ricochet
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Posted: April 23 2006 at 14:12 |
oh,another one of these...quite innovating 
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cowbell1
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Posted: April 23 2006 at 15:06 |
Dr. Occulator wrote:
Simple: The reason is because TaaB is only 1/6th as good as CTTE.
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So your saying Suffocating the bloom is only 1/303 of CTTE?
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goose
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Posted: April 24 2006 at 12:03 |
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It could be worth using a higher powered logarithm though... I don't
think 0.12 is really negligible in the context of a 5 star system. My
thinking is along the lines of log(log(ratings)). Mind you, you've
probably thought of all this a long time before me!
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yargh
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Posted: April 24 2006 at 17:09 |
The only way to fix this problem is to get lots of your friends to register on this site and all give CTTE one star.
But if you do that, it *will* work.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: April 24 2006 at 17:27 |
yargh wrote:
The only way to fix this problem is to get lots of your friends to register on this site and all give CTTE one star.
But if you do that, it *will* work. |
No it won't ... as soon as it is dropping, some others come along and give it 5 stars until it is back up again.
Come on guys, get a life! 
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yargh
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Posted: April 24 2006 at 17:32 |
"No it won't ... as soon as it is dropping, some others come along and give it 5 stars until it is back up again."
False. Because of the very high average rating CTTE now has, it would take 4-5 times as many 5-star reviews to counteract the 1-star reviews, because the 1-star reviews count for more. A good run of a few dozen 1's would sink CTTE for a good long time.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: April 24 2006 at 17:38 |
Don't underestimate the tenacity of the CttE fans! 
Edit: And don't forget that they could simply submit a dozen 1 star ratings for TaaB!
Edited by MikeEnRegalia - April 24 2006 at 17:38
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freebird
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Posted: April 29 2006 at 12:51 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
yargh wrote:
The only way to fix this problem is to get lots of your friends to register on this site and all give CTTE one star.
But if you do that, it *will* work. |
No it won't ... as soon as it is dropping, some others come along and give it 5 stars until it is back up again.
Come on guys, get a life! |
Isn't the point of the review supposed to be so that others can find out about the music if they have never heard it? (not just systematicly trashing other albums to manipulate the top 100!) 
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Why isn't TaaB #1 in the top 100 chart?
but yea i like thick as a brick dark side of the moon and foxtrot more then close to the edge. as a matter of fact i prefer fragile to close to the edge. 