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Bullenwächter 
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 Topic: Mekanïk Destruktïw Kommandöh - Remasterd VersionPosted: February 06 2025 at 01:53 |
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Hi There! What are the significant differences to the original version Sevent Records REX VII or the CD in the Studio Zünd box set Seventh Records 574 1700.09 in the audio quality, brillance or resultion etc?Does anybody have both CD versions of MAGMA's Mekanïk Destruktïw Kommandöh, the original version and the remastered version of Seventh Records Reference REX 7V2 ? https://www.seventhrecords.com/en/magma-19/m-d-k-remastered-version-new-digipack-1273.html Edited by Bullenwächter - February 06 2025 at 03:18 |
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@Mods and Admins: I cannot get delete the cryptic code at the end of my first post.
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Posted: February 06 2025 at 02:04 |
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Listening to it - sounds good! Available on Spotify and Bandcamp
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To deal with the code/script you either have to try playing around with different browsers, or disable a post editor in settings. I have had it disabled for years. See this topic for details on how to deal with it: https://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=132330. MDK is wonderful, although I especially like live versions, not sure about the differences in sound on the studio album releases.
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MDK was a quite strange piece of music but once you get into it, it's addictive. Once I intended to listen only to the studio CD but, it ended up in listening the whole night to serveral versions - till I managed to quit
 Beside the studio version, my favourites are the studio version on Mekanïk Kommandöh released 1989 and Theusz Hamtaahk Trilogie, Théâtre du Taur, Concert 1975 and some of the very early live bootleg-recordings such as Théâtre du Taur Toulouse said to be from 1972-11-09 and 1977-06-15 at an Unknown Venue in Orléans, or 1990-02-22 La Cigale Paris. Sadly they are not available officially and mostly in a bad quality. These early live recordings show fantastically how the piece was worked on over a long period of time and, above all, improvised by Klaus Blasquiz. I think I should have both versions in my CD shelf, original and the remastered versions, but so far I have not compared both versions. I'll try it on one of the next weekends, to trace the differences. Edited by Bullenwächter - February 06 2025 at 03:59 |
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Posted: February 07 2025 at 09:24 |
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Hi,
Of all the live albums, and including the 2 concerts I saw, there probably were too many live up changes that made the piece different but in general, I don't think I ever heard one piece as better than the others ... with my preference being the one album that Christian sand and had the orchestra with ... his own work was insane, beautiful and way above ... a lot of things, including our imagination ... The remastered stuff does not interest me ... making folks think that the music is better, and it is the same music, and its feeling is still there and no amount of manipulation of the music and setting can make it better. I think of it as an illusion, since many folks have never heard this in the early days on a real stereo except the mom and po stereos and later the Walkman ... or small hand carried radios. But when you heard it at the top of its abilities, you would never need another remaster ... at all ... to, supposedly, make it better. It's about the music, not what happened to it after its inner life! Which is what a remaster is.
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Posted: February 07 2025 at 09:36 |
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I just have the remastered version which I believe was the only one available when I bought this in the mid 00's.
So no help from me. I have never liked Seventh Records for their packaging. |
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Posted: February 07 2025 at 12:38 |
Hi, I kinda look at it, as a way to keep the music relevant ... though these days you don't know the great conductors, and you will not find (easily anyway) another version of The Rite of Spring or Beethoven's Fifth, for example. During the 60's the real big names in conducting an orchestra were really good at getting your attention to the music, but nowadays, all the stuff that is being pushed is second rate music, and often not really discussed, and PA kinda makes that clear to a point or two ... when so many folks will post about Ian, or Keith, or Rick and ... say nothing about other stuff, or immediately state that Triumvirat, PFM, Focus and Banco are copies ... which will tell you how well some folks listen to things! So a repackaging is normal for record companies, and the remasters could be said to be a new "conductor" this week ... but we need to apply caution here ... as there is no change or difference in the music itself, and just because the recording is cleaned up a lot, you're not gonna find new music ... and then there are the ones that robbed yo silly. The remaster of Sgt Pepper's was a simple new release of the English version of the LP, which for American folks, was taken from some trash bin in NY City and put on a LP at the time, with the sound effects and smaller details hidden, because the American audience would not like it ... they were all more like the AM radio mixes ... cheap and mono like more than anything else and you could not leave a lot of things in, because the cacophony would have you turn the darn thing off because it was not listenable.
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Posted: February 07 2025 at 16:08 |
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I do not expect new music of a remasterd album, like Steve Wilson remixes of album. I want to look where the differences are such as vocal reproduction, balance, dynamics, detail, resolution and brilliance. I am aware that a remastering always brings positive and negative effects on the result.
By mistake I bought 2 Genesis album CDs twice, Foxtrot and Nursery Cryme - once as a regular pressing and secondly as Nice Price pressings. Both pairs sounding slightly differently, the Nice Price seems to be more dynamic (but probably by a slightly higher dB level) and till yet I have not decided which sounds better to me or which of them I like more. My ELP: Emerson Lake & Palme CDr, bought around 1985/6 has 3 cliks in the titles caused by recording or pressing errors, which were not present in my LP and the remastered CD. Sometimes I "miss" this clicks on the remastered version  |
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Posted: February 15 2025 at 01:10 |
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Yesterday evening I took the opportunity to listen to both versions in comparison. I'm not an audiophile and don't have a trained ear (and my tinnitus does the rest), but I'll try to give you my subjective impressions here:
The remastered version REX VII-V2 seems about 2 - 3 dB louder and is more dynamic compared to the old REX VII. The vocals and Vander's drumming in particular are more detailed and clearly more present than in the original version. These and the other instruments generally appear somewhat more finely resolved and spatially more clearly localisable than in the old REX VII, where everything sounds like it is coming through a cloud. The old REX VII sounds more like a typical recording from the 1970s and, in my opinion, the remastering of the REX VII-V2 was worthwhile without changing the character of the work. The REX VII-V2 offers much more detail to listen to. |
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