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    Posted: September 19 2005 at 11:51

This is inspired by the "Modern Yes" thread

How shall I explain this? Ok.....take a modern 60 min+ CD which you think has too much "filler" and reduce it to a vinyl album of about 35-50 min. If you can, seperate it into into Side 1 and side 2, and try to make a great or at least, much better album.

In the case of double CD's you can reduce it to a double vinyl album( The Flower Kings Clause!)

I haven't done it yet, but feel welcome!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 19 2005 at 12:02

I'll start with the Flower Kings, just to be difficult

Retropolis Side One

Retropolis 11:07 

Rhythm Of The Sea 6:13 

The Melting Pot 5:48 

 

Side Two

There Is More to This World 10:07 

Silent Storm 7:38 

Flora Majora 6:49 

 

Weird for a Flower Kings album (which can be pathcy) that was surprisingly tough! But the result is pretty awesome I think. Most 70s bands would have been very very proud of that 43 minutes of vinyl I think (I've added a bit Genesis style compression to stretch the master just beyond 40 minutes! ).

BTW Good thread, I think TFK are one of the best examples of a band who can't self-edit. If they had vinyl to contend with they'd be a helluva band. How many more modern prog bands need a dose of retro formatting to go with their retro synth sounds?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 19 2005 at 12:21

Oops, comlpetely misinterpreted that. I'll do Dream Theatre's Falling Into Infinity, originally about 78 minutes.

Side One -

1. New Millenium (8:20)

2. Lines In The Sand (12:05)

Side Two -

1. Peruvian Skies (6:43)

2. Trial Of Tears (13:07)

Much better.

 

 

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 19 2005 at 12:24
I did this for all the TFK releases on another forum.  I don't think it made them better in most cases, though. 

The Flower King

Side A:

The Flower King
Dissonata

Side B:

Humanizzimo

Back In The World Of Adventures


Side A:

World Of Adventures
Go West Judas

Side B:

Train To Nowhere
Big Puzzle

Retropolis

Side A:

Retropolis
There Is More To This World

Side B:

Rhythm Of The Sea
The Judas Kiss
Flora Majora

Stardust We Are

Side A:

In The Eyes Of The World
Church Of Your Heart

Side B:

Poor Mr. Rain's Ordinary Guitar
The Man Who Walked With Kings
Circus Brimstone

Side C:

Compassion (single edit, without extra stuff)
Different People
Ghost Of The Red Cloud
Stardust We Are (intro)

Side D:

Stardust We Are

Flower Power

Sides A, B, and C:

Garden Of Dreams (splits occurring after Did I Tell You and Dungeon Of The Deep)

Side D:

Deaf, Numb, and Blind
Stupid Girl
Corruption

Space Revolver

Side A:

I Am The Sun Part 1
Underdog

Side B:

Rumble Fish Twist
Dream On Dreamer
I Am The Sun Part 2

The Rainmaker

Side A:

Last Minute On Earth
World Without A Heart
Thru The Walls

Side B:

Sword Of God
Road To Sanctuary

Unfold The Future

Side A:

The Truth Will Set You Free Pt. 1

Side B:

The Truth Will Set You Free Pt. 2
Monkey Business
Man Overboard
Solitary Shell

Side C:

Silent Inferno
Devil's Playground Intro

Side D:

Devil's Playground

Adam & Eve

Side A:

Love Supreme

Side B:

Babylon
Driver's Seat
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 19 2005 at 12:32

Here's another one....

 

Yes - Tales from Topographic Oceans

Side Tne

1. Siberian Khatru

Side Two

1. The Gates of Delirium

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 19 2005 at 12:45

Cool thread,but I gotta think on it a minute.

Snowy...I am having trouble making it out but is your avatar Onslo from Keeping Up Appearances?



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 19 2005 at 13:15
Yes - Tales From Topographic Oceans (the way it should have been made):

Side 1:

1. The Revealing Science Of God

Side 2:

2. The Remembering

I'm not a big fan of the long-winded intro of "The Ancient". And I don't like the also, extended intro, and percussion solo of "Ritual".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 19 2005 at 13:18
Originally posted by the icon of sin the icon of sin wrote:

Oops, comlpetely misinterpreted that. I'll do Dream Theatre's Falling Into Infinity, originally about 78 minutes.

Side One -

1. New Millenium (8:20)

2. Lines In The Sand (12:05)

Side Two -

1. Peruvian Skies (6:43)

2. Trial Of Tears (13:07)

Much better.

 

 

 

Much better but... How can you forgot Hell's kitchen??? It's awesome!!! The perfect prelude to lines in the Sand

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 19 2005 at 14:15
No need to give a tracklist but the 72min so boring Sigur Ros first album "Von" could have been a wonderful 20/25 min EP.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 19 2005 at 15:48

Genesis - We Can't Dance (1991): (yes, it could have been a decent prog-pop album!)

Side One:

1. No Son Of Mine (6:38)
2. Jesus He Knows Me (4:16)
3. Driving The Last Spike (10:08)

Side Two:

4. Dreaming While You Sleep (7:15)
5. Living Forever (5:41)
6. Fading Lights (10:16)

I think that's a fairly good album.  but I'm a genesis-nut so its not quite unbiased. 

i'd also love to make a one cd compilation of KC highlights 72-74 so I'd never have to pull out those albums again, but i'm too lazy to do it now.

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 19 2005 at 16:27

Frank Zappa - Hot rats ripped my uncle Meat:

Side A:

1. Peaches en regalia
2. Son of Mr.Green Genes
3. Little umbrellas
4. My guitar wants to kill your mama

Side B:

1. Excerpt from toads of the short forest
2. Dwarf Nebula processional march & Dwarf Nebula
3. Oh no
4. The orange county lumber truck
5. Dog breath, in the year of the plague
6. Sleeping in a jar
7. Electric aunt Jemina

This would really be an alltime classic IMHO, but unfortunately...



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 19 2005 at 16:29
I have the skill to completely forget a bad album 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 19 2005 at 16:31
Originally posted by R_DeNIRO R_DeNIRO wrote:

Originally posted by the icon of sin the icon of sin wrote:

Oops, comlpetely misinterpreted that. I'll do Dream Theatre's Falling Into Infinity, originally about 78 minutes.

Side One -

1. New Millenium (8:20)

2. Lines In The Sand (12:05)

Side Two -

1. Peruvian Skies (6:43)

2. Trial Of Tears (13:07)

Much better.

Much better but... How can you forgot Hell's kitchen??? It's awesome!!! The perfect prelude to lines in the Sand

Oh god, your right!   But how would we fit it on, side 1 adds up to 20:25 and side 2 to 19:50. Guess we could try some aforementioned Genesis-style editing...

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 19 2005 at 17:01
Originally posted by Odd24 Odd24 wrote:

Frank Zappa - Hot rats ripped my uncle Meat:

Side A:

1. Peaches en regalia
2. Son of Mr.Green Genes
3. Little umbrellas
4. My guitar wants to kill your mama

Side B:

1. Excerpt from toads of the short forest
2. Dwarf Nebula processional march & Dwarf Nebula
3. Oh no
4. The orange county lumber truck
5. Dog breath, in the year of the plague
6. Sleeping in a jar
7. Electric aunt Jemina

This would really be an alltime classic IMHO, but unfortunately...



No Willie the Pimp? Why would you filter out Beefheart?

The Mars Volta - Frances the Mute (I know I'm not the only one who wanted to do this.)

SIDE THE FIRST
Cygnus... Vismund Cygnus (11:07, trimming down the ending effects a bit, only because I have to.)
L'Via L'Viaquez (7:10, a decent ending point for the song.)
Miranda, That Ghost Just Isn't Holy Anymore (5:45, by editing out the beginning and the ending. The meat of it, the mariachi jam, remains, as well as the last few ending seconds with the riff from Cygnus, which leads us to the ELP-esque side two.)

SIDE THE SECOND
Cassandra Gemini: Vade Mecum/Pour Another Ice Pick/Pisacis (Phra-Men-Ma)/Con Safo/Tarantism/Plant a Nail in the Navel System/Faminepulse/Multiple Spouse Wounds/Sarcophogi  (25:56, I'm keeping the first three motions intact. I'm editing out most of those guitar 'fragments' after Bixler's last spoken word, and then it jumps back into his speaking, and then more removal of spacey parts, jumping back into the whispering, and then cutting out about another 2 minutes of Omar's random soloing, jumping straight into the part with the heavier bass and drums. Then, another edit of about a minute from Plant a Nail's intro, straight to the arepeggios and slightly more structured playing, and then editing out another minute at the end. The spacey guitar comes back in, and so do the screeches with the delay pedal, and then on to Faminepulse. 2 minutes of guitar and brass interplay are taken out, and after about a minute, we move back into Bixler-Zavala's lyric. The last two motions remain the same.)

I really had to squeeze for time on the last one, but the result comes out less like a mess and more like a free-flowing Animals.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 19 2005 at 17:02
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Cool thread,but I gotta think on it a minute.

Snowy...I am having trouble making it out but is your avatar Onslo from Keeping Up Appearances?

It is indeed, and one of my heros..

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 19 2005 at 17:10
Originally posted by Odd24 Odd24 wrote:

Frank Zappa - Hot rats ripped my uncle Meat




Nice title.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 19 2005 at 17:12
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Cool thread,but I gotta think on it a minute.

Snowy...I am having trouble making it out but is your avatar Onslo from Keeping Up Appearances?

It is indeed, and one of my heros..

And I thought it was Eddie Yates from Coronation St....

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 19 2005 at 17:17
I think Marillion's 'Marbles' would be a lot better without all those Marbly bits in it...in a similar way to Arena's first two albums benefiting from a 'Crying For Help' lift...it's all just filler to me...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 19 2005 at 17:45
Originally posted by the icon of sin the icon of sin wrote:

Originally posted by R_DeNIRO R_DeNIRO wrote:

Originally posted by the icon of sin the icon of sin wrote:


Oops, comlpetely misinterpreted that. I'll do Dream Theatre's Falling Into Infinity, originally about 78 minutes.


Side One -


1. New Millenium (8:20)


2. Lines In The Sand (12:05)


Side Two -


1. Peruvian Skies (6:43)


2. Trial Of Tears (13:07)


Much better.



Much better but... How can you forgot Hell's kitchen??? It's awesome!!! The perfect prelude to lines in the Sand



Oh god, your right!   But how would we fit it on, side 1 adds up to 20:25 and side 2 to 19:50. Guess we could try some aforementioned Genesis-style editing...


 



I'd push the length of the sides a bit more and make it into the following -

New Millenium
Peruvian Skies
Raise The Knife (Studio B-Side originally cut)
---------------
Hollow Years
Burning My Soul
Hell's Kitchen
Lines In The Sand

This adds up to just about 54:22. I know it's pushing it, but it could work!

Awake -
6:00
Erotomania
Voices
The Silent Man
--------------
The Mirror
Lie
Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
Space-Dye Vest

Octavarium -
The Root Of All Evil
Never Enough
Sacrificed Sons
---------------
Octavarium

And one last one...
The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway -
The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway
Fly On A Windshield
Broadway Melody Of 1974
In The Cage
Back In NYC
Hairless Heart
------------------------------
The Colony Of Slippermen
Ravine
The Light Lies Down On Broadway
Riding The Scree
In the Rapids
It.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 20 2005 at 00:28

Okay, here's one:

Kansas - Monolith / Audio Visions

1. On the Other Side

2. Angels Have Fallen

3. A Glimpse of Home

4. Away From You

5. Reason To Be

6. Relentless

7. Hold On

8. Got To Rock On

9. No One Together

 

Had Kansas done this, like Kerry Livgren suggested, it would be just as brilliant as the first five, in my opinion.

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