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Snow Dog
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Topic: Make a "Great" Album! Posted: September 19 2005 at 11:51 |
This is inspired by the "Modern Yes" thread
How shall I explain this? Ok.....take a modern 60 min+ CD which you think has too much "filler" and reduce it to a vinyl album of about 35-50 min. If you can, seperate it into into Side 1 and side 2, and try to make a great or at least, much better album.
In the case of double CD's you can reduce it to a double vinyl album( The Flower Kings Clause!)
I haven't done it yet, but feel welcome!
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arcer
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Posted: September 19 2005 at 12:02 |
I'll start with the Flower Kings, just to be difficult
Retropolis Side One
Retropolis 11:07
Rhythm Of The Sea 6:13
The Melting Pot 5:48
Side Two
There Is More to This World 10:07
Silent Storm 7:38
Flora Majora 6:49
Weird for a Flower Kings album (which can be pathcy) that was surprisingly tough! But the result is pretty awesome I think. Most 70s bands would have been very very proud of that 43 minutes of vinyl I think (I've added a bit Genesis style compression to stretch the master just beyond 40 minutes! ).
BTW Good thread, I think TFK are one of the best examples of a band who can't self-edit. If they had vinyl to contend with they'd be a helluva band. How many more modern prog bands need a dose of retro formatting to go with their retro synth sounds?
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the icon of sin
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Posted: September 19 2005 at 12:21 |
Oops, comlpetely misinterpreted that. I'll do Dream Theatre's Falling Into Infinity, originally about 78 minutes.
Side One -
1. New Millenium (8:20)
2. Lines In The Sand (12:05)
Side Two -
1. Peruvian Skies (6:43)
2. Trial Of Tears (13:07)
Much better.
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Man Overboard
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Posted: September 19 2005 at 12:24 |
I did this for all the TFK releases on another forum. I don't think it made them better in most cases, though.
The Flower King
Side A:
The Flower King
Dissonata
Side B:
Humanizzimo
Back In The World Of Adventures
Side A:
World Of Adventures
Go West Judas
Side B:
Train To Nowhere
Big Puzzle
Retropolis
Side A:
Retropolis
There Is More To This World
Side B:
Rhythm Of The Sea
The Judas Kiss
Flora Majora
Stardust We Are
Side A:
In The Eyes Of The World
Church Of Your Heart
Side B:
Poor Mr. Rain's Ordinary Guitar
The Man Who Walked With Kings
Circus Brimstone
Side C:
Compassion (single edit, without extra stuff)
Different People
Ghost Of The Red Cloud
Stardust We Are (intro)
Side D:
Stardust We Are
Flower Power
Sides A, B, and C:
Garden Of Dreams (splits occurring after Did I Tell You and Dungeon Of The Deep)
Side D:
Deaf, Numb, and Blind
Stupid Girl
Corruption
Space Revolver
Side A:
I Am The Sun Part 1
Underdog
Side B:
Rumble Fish Twist
Dream On Dreamer
I Am The Sun Part 2
The Rainmaker
Side A:
Last Minute On Earth
World Without A Heart
Thru The Walls
Side B:
Sword Of God
Road To Sanctuary
Unfold The Future
Side A:
The Truth Will Set You Free Pt. 1
Side B:
The Truth Will Set You Free Pt. 2
Monkey Business
Man Overboard
Solitary Shell
Side C:
Silent Inferno
Devil's Playground Intro
Side D:
Devil's Playground
Adam & Eve
Side A:
Love Supreme
Side B:
Babylon
Driver's Seat
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arcer
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Posted: September 19 2005 at 12:32 |
Here's another one....
Yes - Tales from Topographic Oceans
Side Tne
1. Siberian Khatru
Side Two
1. The Gates of Delirium

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TheProgtologist
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Posted: September 19 2005 at 12:45 |
Cool thread,but I gotta think on it a minute.
Snowy...I am having trouble making it out but is your avatar Onslo from Keeping Up Appearances?
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Prodigal
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Posted: September 19 2005 at 13:15 |
Yes - Tales From Topographic Oceans (the way it should have been made):
Side 1:
1. The Revealing Science Of God
Side 2:
2. The Remembering
I'm not a big fan of the long-winded intro of "The Ancient". And I don't like the also, extended intro, and percussion solo of "Ritual".
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R_DeNIRO
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Posted: September 19 2005 at 13:18 |
the icon of sin wrote:
Oops, comlpetely misinterpreted that. I'll do Dream Theatre's Falling Into Infinity, originally about 78 minutes.
Side One -
1. New Millenium (8:20)
2. Lines In The Sand (12:05)
Side Two -
1. Peruvian Skies (6:43)
2. Trial Of Tears (13:07)
Much better.
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Much better but... How can you forgot Hell's kitchen??? It's awesome!!! The perfect prelude to lines in the Sand 
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d.o.k
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Posted: September 19 2005 at 14:15 |
No need to give a tracklist but the 72min so boring Sigur Ros first album "Von" could have been a wonderful 20/25 min EP.
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NetsNJFan
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Posted: September 19 2005 at 15:48 |
Genesis - We Can't Dance (1991): (yes, it could have been a decent prog-pop album!)
Side One:
1. No Son Of Mine (6:38) 2. Jesus He Knows Me (4:16) 3. Driving The Last Spike (10:08)
Side Two:
4. Dreaming While You Sleep (7:15) 5. Living Forever (5:41) 6. Fading Lights (10:16)
I think that's a fairly good album. but I'm a genesis-nut so its not quite unbiased. 
i'd also love to make a one cd compilation of KC highlights 72-74 so I'd never have to pull out those albums again, but i'm too lazy to do it now.
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Odd24
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Posted: September 19 2005 at 16:27 |
Frank Zappa - Hot rats ripped my uncle Meat:
Side A:
1. Peaches en regalia 2. Son of Mr.Green Genes 3. Little umbrellas 4. My guitar wants to kill your mama
Side B:
1. Excerpt from toads of the short forest 2. Dwarf Nebula processional march & Dwarf Nebula 3. Oh no 4. The orange county lumber truck 5. Dog breath, in the year of the plague 6. Sleeping in a jar 7. Electric aunt Jemina
This would really be an alltime classic IMHO, but unfortunately...
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Right down the line
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Simkim
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Posted: September 19 2005 at 16:29 |
I have the skill to completely forget a bad album
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the icon of sin
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Posted: September 19 2005 at 16:31 |
R_DeNIRO wrote:
the icon of sin wrote:
Oops, comlpetely misinterpreted that. I'll do Dream Theatre's Falling Into Infinity, originally about 78 minutes.
Side One -
1. New Millenium (8:20)
2. Lines In The Sand (12:05)
Side Two -
1. Peruvian Skies (6:43)
2. Trial Of Tears (13:07)
Much better.
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Much better but... How can you forgot Hell's kitchen??? It's awesome!!! The perfect prelude to lines in the Sand 
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Oh god, your right! But how would we fit it on, side 1 adds up to 20:25 and side 2 to 19:50. Guess we could try some aforementioned Genesis-style editing...
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GatesOfDelirium
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Posted: September 19 2005 at 17:01 |
Odd24 wrote:
Frank Zappa - Hot rats ripped my uncle Meat:
Side A:
1. Peaches en regalia 2. Son of Mr.Green Genes 3. Little umbrellas 4. My guitar wants to kill your mama
Side B:
1. Excerpt from toads of the short forest 2. Dwarf Nebula processional march & Dwarf Nebula 3. Oh no 4. The orange county lumber truck 5. Dog breath, in the year of the plague 6. Sleeping in a jar 7. Electric aunt Jemina
This would really be an alltime classic IMHO, but unfortunately... |
No Willie the Pimp? Why would you filter out Beefheart?  The Mars Volta - Frances the Mute (I know I'm not the only one who wanted to do this.) SIDE THE FIRST Cygnus... Vismund Cygnus (11:07, trimming down the ending effects a bit, only because I have to.) L'Via L'Viaquez (7:10, a decent ending point for the song.) Miranda, That Ghost Just Isn't Holy Anymore (5:45, by editing out the
beginning and the ending. The meat of it, the mariachi jam, remains, as
well as the last few ending seconds with the riff from Cygnus, which leads us to the ELP-esque side two.) SIDE THE SECOND Cassandra Gemini: Vade Mecum/Pour Another Ice Pick/Pisacis (Phra-Men-Ma)/Con Safo/Tarantism/Plant a Nail in the Navel System/Faminepulse/Multiple Spouse Wounds/Sarcophogi (25:56, I'm keeping the first three motions intact. I'm editing out most of those guitar 'fragments' after Bixler's last spoken word, and then it jumps back into his speaking, and then more removal of spacey parts, jumping back into the whispering, and then cutting out about another 2 minutes of Omar's random soloing, jumping straight into the part with the heavier bass and drums. Then, another edit of about a minute from Plant a Nail's intro, straight to the arepeggios and slightly more structured playing, and then editing out another minute at the end. The spacey guitar comes back in, and so do the screeches with the delay pedal, and then on to Faminepulse. 2 minutes of guitar and brass interplay are taken out, and after about a minute, we move back into Bixler-Zavala's lyric. The last two motions remain the same.) I really had to squeeze for time on the last one, but the result comes out less like a mess and more like a free-flowing Animals.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: September 19 2005 at 17:02 |
TheProgtologist wrote:
Cool thread,but I gotta think on it a minute.
Snowy...I am having trouble making it out but is your avatar Onslo from Keeping Up Appearances?
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It is indeed, and one of my heros..
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Prodigal
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Posted: September 19 2005 at 17:10 |
Odd24 wrote:
Frank Zappa - Hot rats ripped my uncle Meat |
 Nice title.
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Jared
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Posted: September 19 2005 at 17:12 |
Snow Dog wrote:
TheProgtologist wrote:
Cool thread,but I gotta think on it a minute.
Snowy...I am having trouble making it out but is your avatar Onslo from Keeping Up Appearances?
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It is indeed, and one of my heros..
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And I thought it was Eddie Yates from Coronation St....
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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Jared
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Posted: September 19 2005 at 17:17 |
I think Marillion's 'Marbles' would be a lot better without all those Marbly bits in it...in a similar way to Arena's first two albums benefiting from a 'Crying For Help' lift...it's all just filler to me...
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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The Letter M
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Posted: September 19 2005 at 17:45 |
the icon of sin wrote:
R_DeNIRO wrote:
the icon of sin wrote:
Oops, comlpetely misinterpreted that. I'll do Dream Theatre's Falling Into Infinity, originally about 78 minutes.
Side One -
1. New Millenium (8:20)
2. Lines In The Sand (12:05)
Side Two -
1. Peruvian Skies (6:43)
2. Trial Of Tears (13:07)
Much better.
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Much better but... How can you forgot Hell's kitchen??? It's awesome!!! The perfect prelude to lines in the Sand 
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Oh god, your right! But how would we fit it on, side 1 adds up to 20:25 and side 2 to 19:50. Guess we could try some aforementioned Genesis-style editing...
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I'd push the length of the sides a bit more and make it into the following -
New Millenium
Peruvian Skies
Raise The Knife (Studio B-Side originally cut)
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Hollow Years
Burning My Soul
Hell's Kitchen
Lines In The Sand
This adds up to just about 54:22. I know it's pushing it, but it could work!
Awake -
6:00
Erotomania
Voices
The Silent Man
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The Mirror
Lie
Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
Space-Dye Vest
Octavarium -
The Root Of All Evil
Never Enough
Sacrificed Sons
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Octavarium
And one last one...
The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway -
The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway
Fly On A Windshield
Broadway Melody Of 1974
In The Cage
Back In NYC
Hairless Heart
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The Colony Of Slippermen
Ravine
The Light Lies Down On Broadway
Riding The Scree
In the Rapids
It.
-Marc.
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anotherbrick
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Posted: September 20 2005 at 00:28 |
Okay, here's one:
Kansas - Monolith / Audio Visions
1. On the Other Side
2. Angels Have Fallen
3. A Glimpse of Home
4. Away From You
5. Reason To Be
6. Relentless
7. Hold On
8. Got To Rock On
9. No One Together
Had Kansas done this, like Kerry Livgren suggested, it would be just as brilliant as the first five, in my opinion.
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