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    Posted: March 07 2016 at 11:36
I Couldn't understand why so much hate on this albums, for me it is the best from all of them, after that they turned very eletronic, which i don't like so much, but this album and the albums before him are VERY nice, but with scores very low(2-3 stars), while Trans-Europe Express and The Man-Machine are with a very good score(3-4stars), what's the problem with Radioakitivitat?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2016 at 11:53
Personally I don't like Kraftwerk at all
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2016 at 12:13
I only like the early Kraftwerk, up to "Radioaktivität".


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2016 at 12:29
Originally posted by andreol263 andreol263 wrote:

I Couldn't understand why so much hate on this albums, for me it is the best from all of them, after that they turned very eletronic, which i don't like so much, but this album and the albums before him are VERY nice, but with scores very low(2-3 stars), while Trans-Europe Express and The Man-Machine are with a very good score(3-4stars), what's the problem with Radioakitivitat?


Oh, and by the way: You can't leave out the dots above the second to last letter. If you don't have an "ä" on the keyboard you have to use "ae" instead. This is very important; it can lead to serious misunderstandings if you just leave them off.

The best example is the difference between "geachtet" (well-respected) and "geächtet" (ostracized) The two mean just the opposite of each other.

Similarly you have to write "oe" for "ö" and "ue" instead for "ü" if you don'`t have umlauts on the keyboard.

Other examples" "lügen" (to lie, as in not telling the truth) and lugen (carefully looking, usually out of a hiding place), "Lösung" (solution) and "Losung" (slogan, motto, password, in hunting language animal scat), "Ohr" (eye of a needle) and Ohr (ear), "wägen" (to scale) and "wagen" (to dare), "Schären" (archipelago) and "Scharen" (droves), "gewähren" (to grant) and "gewahren" (to become aware of something)


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2016 at 12:56
I don't see much appreciation for Kraftwerk in general on here. I personally love Kraftwerk, including Radioactivity. My personal favorites from them though are Trans Europe Express, Computer World, and Electric Cafe. I suspect they would get more appreciation on an electronic music archiving site.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2016 at 13:16
Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Personally I don't like Kraftwerk at all

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2016 at 13:17
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by andreol263 andreol263 wrote:

I Couldn't understand why so much hate on this albums, for me it is the best from all of them, after that they turned very eletronic, which i don't like so much, but this album and the albums before him are VERY nice, but with scores very low(2-3 stars), while Trans-Europe Express and The Man-Machine are with a very good score(3-4stars), what's the problem with Radioakitivitat?


Oh, and by the way: You can't leave out the dots above the second to last letter. If you don't have an "ä" on the keyboard you have to use "ae" instead. This is very important; it can lead to serious misunderstandings if you just leave them off.

The best example is the difference between "geachtet" (well-respected) and "geächtet" (ostracized) The two mean just the opposite of each other.

Similarly you have to write "oe" for "ö" and "ue" instead for "ü" if you don'`t have umlauts on the keyboard.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2016 at 13:26
With the umlaut I believe it means radioactivity, but without it it means ""your mother was a hamster and your father smells of elderberries". ;)

I like the album very much. Listening to it again now after ages. I've spent the most time listening to pre-Autobahn Kraftwerk.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2016 at 13:32

Excellent album with or without umlauts!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2016 at 13:48
Yeah!!, for me it's the best from them, really, part(barely all) of the negative reviews it's criticizing that it's too 'minimalistic', 'small compositions', 'too simple'. but for me the charm of this album comes from this(and no, this album hasn't a simple composition at all, and has a variety of instruments never seen before.i.e:Radioactivity Meter), well i'm my opinion this album isn't so bad to be with that score. 

And Thank you for your tip BaldFriede, now i know the shift+6 shortcut for this ;)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2016 at 15:48
people hate it? I didn't know that.
It's one of my favorite from them.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2016 at 17:27
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

people hate it? I didn't know that.
It's one of my favorite from them.


yeah man.. who the hell hates Kraftwerk? That is like hating Apple Pie, a killer set of legs on a woman, a Picasso painting or goddamned baseball.

It makes no sense man. ShockedLOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 09 2016 at 04:42
Can't stand Kraftwerk. Simplistic, pop, nope, not for me. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 09 2016 at 14:35
I think it might have to do with expectations - if you are expecting stuff from later periods, then it comes off a bit quiet and clunky (in English anyway). I love Kraftwerk but there are definitely songs that I don't like that other people love (Neon Lights, The Model). I didn't like the song Radioactivity at first, but came to appreciate it after hearing what they have done with it recently. Seeing them on the 3D tour in 2014, it was powerful to see the song updated with Fukushima (shown here in Japanese) - I have family that lives a few hundred miles and has been affected by the radiation. 


My favorite thing about these kinds of threads is that it inspires me to go back and listen again, hopefully with deeper appreciation, though sometimes with affirmation of my original feelings.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2016 at 01:20
I don't think anyone "hates" Radioaktivitat — Kraftwerk fans like pretty much everything they've done.
 
That said, I used to like them more than I do now. I think they peaked with The Man-Machine (1979) and have never matched it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2016 at 01:41
This, too, is my least favourite Kraftwerk album from the 70's. I think perhaps because it's more song-oriented. Still some good stuff on it. On-par with Computerworld and Electric Cafe for me. But I simply obsess over the debut - nothing beats Von Himmel Hoch, or Ruckzuck.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2016 at 01:49
Originally posted by Davesax1965 Davesax1965 wrote:

Can't stand Kraftwerk. Simplistic, pop, nope, not for me. 



their early albums were experimental, psychedelic so you might reconsider if you try them out. Big smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2016 at 01:52
^ Firmly Krautrock of the highest order - up there with Can, Duul, Tempel etc.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2016 at 04:59
I do wish people would stop linking all German 1970's bands under one arbitrary label.


Hi Cristi - nooo, it's not that, it's what they become. 

Autobahn was reasonably good, but the whole musical ethos behind Kraftwerk becomes, in my opinion anyway, completely wrong. The whole thing stinks of commercial sellout and being a cheap trick. It's not what it was, but what it becomes which makes my lip furl up. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2016 at 05:05
Originally posted by Davesax1965 Davesax1965 wrote:

I do wish people would stop linking all German 1970's bands under one arbitrary label.


Hi Cristi - nooo, it's not that, it's what they become. 

Autobahn was reasonably good, but the whole musical ethos behind Kraftwerk becomes, in my opinion anyway, completely wrong. The whole thing stinks of commercial sellout and being a cheap trick. It's not what it was, but what it becomes which makes my lip furl up. 


well, even though Man Machine and Computer World were easy listen albums, they're still unique and original IMO.
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