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Posted: May 12 2015 at 12:08
Post rock/math rock.....still don't know exactly what that is supposed to mean. It just sounds like jazz rock fusion to me. I hear some Steely Dan and old Spirit in there too.
Some nice things going on but doesn't really grab me.
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Posted: May 12 2015 at 16:38
Tortoise is a pretty cool band in my book, and the most interesting of the few Post/Math Rock bands I have heard. I would have to call this 'Good.' I guess all the falling objects in the video are salting the guys (insert appropriate pun groan here); it's pretty meaningless but that fits the ennui I find in their music.
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Posted: May 12 2015 at 16:43
dr wu23 wrote:
Post rock/math rock.....still don't know exactly what that is supposed to mean. It just sounds like jazz rock fusion to me. I hear some Steely Dan and old Spirit in there too.
Some nice things going on but doesn't really grab me.
I could be wrong but I think it's 2 different sub-genres under one banner. Same with RIO/Avant and Experimental/Post-Metal. Again I stand to be corrected but that's what I understand.
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Posted: May 12 2015 at 18:07
^ That is correct.
And I'll go option 1 this time.
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Posted: May 13 2015 at 16:49
Mellotron Storm wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
Post rock/math rock.....still don't know exactly what that is supposed to mean. It just sounds like jazz rock fusion to me. I hear some Steely Dan and old Spirit in there too.
Some nice things going on but doesn't really grab me.
I could be wrong but I think it's 2 different sub-genres under one banner. Same with RIO/Avant and Experimental/Post-Metal. Again I stand to be corrected but that's what I understand.
Thanks Mellotron,,,,
but what I meant was that I don't get the genre in general in that it just sounds like a mix of fusion, rock, and some jazz things....so where does the term math rock or post rock come into it.... Why not just call many of these bands fusion?
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Posted: May 13 2015 at 17:22
Horizons wrote:
Tortoise is a unique band. They do have some jazzy tendencies, but it's their time sigs and ambient compositions that give them their title.
Fusion is a completely different animal.
I've shown you plenty of examples of both genres in multiple threads Wu. Not sure where the confusion still remains?
Yes you have and thanks for the examples but I'm sorry I don't hear anything that makes these bands qualify as a separate genre imho....it simply sounds like a blend of rock, jazz, pop and even some funk at times ,and other structures, which to me is a fusiony type of sound. Granted these so-called post rock/ math rock bands aren;t as jazzy as most fusion bands but where exactly does the term post rock and math rock come into it?
btw...I'm 63 years young...and I have every type of conceivable music in my record collection,,..including lots of fusion.
Is there some kind of 'musical mathematics' involved here in the notes and chords that I don't get? What specifically makes it post or math rock. I have yet to hear a cogent explanation.
Edited by dr wu23 - May 13 2015 at 17:24
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Math rock typically utilizes either obscure time signatures or multiple ones in a single song, quickly shifting.
Their riffs are typically angular sound and sometimes use a lot of dissonance.
In Math-Rock's purest sense, its like a mixture of punk energy, aggressiveness, and directness and progressive rock's complex structures and musicianship.
Edit: From the genre's past description.
The music is characterized by complex structures, angular melodies and constant abrupt changes in tempo and time signature. The name Math Rock is a term that grew out of the Chicago scene and the artists working with engineer Steve Albini in an effort to describe the new style.
The basic building blocks of Math Rock can be traced back to the late 60's and 70's where Progressive Rock artists were making more elaborate compositions than the standard rock bands and were experimenting with song structures. Early Avant-garde groups like Massacre, and artists such as Captain Beefheart and John Zorn were highly influential to Math Rock bands and traces of their music can still be heard throughout the genre. Another big influence to the Math Rock approach was Slint with their album "Spiderland" which showcased many techniques that Math Rock bands will follow in the future. Punk also had significant impact on the sound of Math Rock bands. Other notable influences are: Post-Rock, Heavy Metal, and Jazz.
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Posted: May 13 2015 at 19:21
dr wu23 wrote:
Post rock/math rock.....still don't know exactly what that is supposed to mean.
Neither do the members of post and math bands. Those two terms were applied to various experimental 'alternative' bands in the 1990s...and groups influenced by them since 2000 or so.
'Post rock' and 'Math rock' bands had these influences: post-punk, Krautrock, fusion, minimalism, avant-prog, dub reggae, Intelligent Dance Music (IDM), post-hardcore (punk), shoegaze and dream pop
Post rock/math rock.....still don't know exactly what that is supposed to mean.
Neither do the members of post and math bands. Those two terms were applied to various experimental 'alternative' bands in the 1990s...and groups influenced by them since 2000 or so.
'Post rock' and 'Math rock' bands had these influences: post-punk, Krautrock, fusion, minimalism, avant-prog, dub reggae, Intelligent Dance Music (IDM), post-hardcore (punk), shoegaze and dream pop
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Posted: May 14 2015 at 22:21
I like the Math Rock aspect to it. The timbre of the synth got a little boring after awhile. The timbre ought to have been changed up. A little more texture might've helped too. It was still an enjoyable listen, though.
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Posted: May 18 2015 at 10:05
HackettFan wrote:
I like the Math Rock aspect to it. The timbre of the synth got a little boring after awhile. The timbre ought to have been changed up. A little more texture might've helped too. It was still an enjoyable listen, though.
What exactly is the 'math rock' aspect..?
Is that referring to algebra, trig, calculus...or what...?
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