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Topic: Blood,Sweat and Tears Posted: August 17 2005 at 06:49
Churchill goes Prog.The first two Blood,Sweat and Tears records are quite interesting. I would include them here if it were only for these two records, especially the second one with the Erik Satie interludes. Good arrangements and a nice blend of Blues, Big Band and Classics.
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Posted: August 17 2005 at 07:23
Blood, Sweat & Tears
I have a compilation cd of them and they are just awesome. But I wouldn't consider them prog according to the compilation but I do not know the two records you mention. So it might as well just be so. This band was a mix of pop, jazz and classical music and they were brilliant musicians in all these styles (there are not many musicians who can play all these styles).
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Posted: August 17 2005 at 07:27
Salut Martin,
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we have discussed this group's inclusion in the collab zone and although most of us love BS&T , If , Electric Flag and Chicago , we have not yet decided to include Brass Rock (as it was called back then) in the Archives. Although The Flock is in already!
Never say never, though!
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Posted: August 17 2005 at 07:39
Salut Hugues,
I have to switch to the collab Zone one of these days to see what you guys are doing over there!Brass Rock is a good name. Collosseum could fit in there.
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Posted: August 17 2005 at 07:58
Alucard wrote:
Salut Hugues,
I have to switch to the collab Zone one of these days to see what you guys are doing over there!Brass Rock is a good name. Collosseum could fit in there.
True too! but they are into jazz-rock because the horn section is reduced to Dick Heckstall-Smith , recently deceased.
I introduced Mogul Trash yesterday in the PA - the group James Litherland formed after leaving Colosseum. In 24 hours , it already managed three reviews (including mine)
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Posted: August 17 2005 at 08:48
As far as I know, BST became a regressive band . Their first two albums are very good and may be called progressive, but after those ones, they never did anything decent again.
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Posted: August 17 2005 at 09:11
Elsewhere we are talking If - brass rock (aka strictly as rock jazz), ironically sans brass (woodwind instead were blown).
I'm most supportive brass rock being included. Although I feel Flag and Flock are fringe, for instance do the brass/woodwind ever take the instrumental lead with these bands? BST, Chicago, If regularly employed blowers in lead solos rather than pluckers? Ides of March are perhaps too poppy?? But how far do you go in the funk brass rock or the jazz mini-orchestras that took up brass rock, e.g. Don Ellis (thank goodness his Fillmore album has been at long last released recently by Wounded Bird Records - which gives a good idea how brass rock was influencing big jazz bands)
Try these out:
BST - huge record catalogue since David Clayton Thomas (that other musician born in Walton on Thames) still tours and occasionally records the band.
Chicago: up to 6?? As they are at 25+ now (what originality they showed naming their albums!!!), it can be argued they should be excluded from the Archives, - all because they went seeking success, fortune and ultimately boredom, by becoming AOR.
Electric Flag - I have the first album and The Band Played On, and from what I remember of the second album, would suggest they were closer to the Atlantic Stax sound, (e.g. the Marquees, Musselshoals). You have to think about Sly & The Family Stone, if Flag gets included here.
Satisfaction - English brass rock; trad jazzer Mike Cotton jumps on the bandwagon with a pretty good one-off (~1971, on Decca)
Heaven - Welsh brass rock with some very abrasive sounding vocals (~1970), originally released on double vinyl set on CBS, CD with a bonus track released about 6 years ago.
Ides Of March - hit single Vehicle was a very good Chicago imitation, and don't they do yet another variant of Eleanor Rigby on their eponymous album?
If
And into the the 90's:
Glueleg: brass rock with metal - did a great version ofRed
Conrad Schrenk's Extravaganza - perhaps produced the best jazz rock album of the 90's with Save The Robots
Soul/funk brass rock, OR strong jazz element in brass rock (therefore jazz rock fusion):
Tower Of Power
Cold Blood
Dreams (Brecker Bros and Billy Cobham, before and after early Mahavishnu Orch)
Billy Cobham (post -Spectrum) e.g. Total Eclipse, Funky Thide Of Sings (with Brecker Bros and John Abercrombie)
Brecker Brothers late 70's albums
Which inevitably brings up Mothers Of Inventions at numerous times and recordings
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Posted: August 17 2005 at 09:54
Great list Dick- I'd like to add Keef Hartley Band to that- albums like 'Overdog' and 'The Battle Of North West Six' will fit in well with the bands you've mentioned.
Another UK act, Manfred Mann's Chapter Three, had that vibe also, and made two high quality albums for Vertigo.
Warm Dust were another UK act that did a few albums before mutating into the 70s band Ace (I think..) and The Greatest Show On Earth did two albums for Harvest which have a following. All of these albums are good examples of 'brass rock'.
Cliff Bennett's Rebel Rousers, though hardly prog, were early pioneers of the brass rock idea, having chart hits with things like 'One Way Love' and the cover of 'Got To Get You Into My Life' (the brass section of which he arranged on 'Revolver' I believe). The only time I'd like to see Cliff Bennett on the archives really though is in the band Toe Fat, who are a great heavy rock act in the vein of Savoy Brown, May Blitz etc., and featured many future stars of Uriah Heep and Jethro Tull.
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Posted: August 17 2005 at 10:42
There was John Mayal and the Bluesbreaker: Bare Wires !
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Posted: August 17 2005 at 10:51
Sean Trane wrote:
There was John Mayall and the Bluesbreaker: Bare Wires !
{Salmacis as well].
No arguments. When putting together a personal 2 CD set of brass rock tunes* (which became a bit of a history and evolution of brass rock), Mayall was included, as did a Door's number - Touch Me Babe. You can hear it back to at least the 40's with jive or jitterbug dancing, which is the immediate forerunner to rock'n'rock (btw Joe Jackson'sJumpin' Jive album should be checked out too), so Louis Jordan featured as well as a Sam & Dave number.
If anybody is interested I can post the track listings?
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Posted: August 17 2005 at 11:03
salmacis wrote:
Cliff Bennett's Rebel Rousers, though hardly prog, were early pioneers of the brass rock idea, having chart hits with things like 'One Way Love' and the cover of 'Got To Get You Into My Life' (the brass section of which he arranged on 'Revolver' I believe). The only time I'd like to see Cliff Bennett on the archives really though is in the band Toe Fat, who are a great heavy rock act in the vein of Savoy Brown, May Blitz etc., and featured many future stars of Uriah Heep and Jethro Tull.
How coincidental? I was lucky enough to spot a twoforone CD by Cliff Bennett in a 2nd hand shop but alas after putting that compilation above together - Got To Get You Into My Life is an obvious candidate - either the CB&RR's hit single version or the Beatles version on which I'm sure CC & RR played, where it is said McCartney gave them the chance to bring the tune out as a single as one reward for the session work? Of course Lady Madonna, the tune of which is loosely based on the Humphrey Littleton Group's Bad Penny Blues, had Humf and lads as session musicians.
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Posted: September 09 2005 at 09:52
Chicago may have started to stink around the late 70s, but we shouldn't
hold that against their earlier work. The first few albums, and the first
four in particular, were more progressive than Colosseum ever were,
mixing avant garde classical music in with jazz and rock. I'd love to see
them represented here, but that seems a long shot.
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