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Points: 37107 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2011 at 19:48
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Originally posted by Slaughternalia Slaughternalia wrote:

I agree that Musical taste is subjective, but I simply have a hard time believing that people legitimately enjoy this. Finding it interesting? Sure I could see that. But at the end of the day, It's pretty much just a mess of avant-garde w**kery with no structure or composition. And I mean no disrespect to Beefheart, i actually enjoy Safe As Milk to an extent, but I stand by my choice of words. Trout Mask Replica is retarded.


I can say without exaggeration that I legitimately enjoy the record. It makes me smile. Strangely enough, many of the tracks on it actually become really catchy after a few dozen listens.

I don't even think it's that avant. Some of the tracks are almost poppy.


it's more "avant pop" than truly avant-garde, one might say.  Anyway, avant-garde music can be poppy, and avant pop is an accepted categorsiation for music.
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Points: 9869 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2011 at 20:09
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:


Originally posted by Tapfret Tapfret wrote:


[Hating St. Anger was the cool thing to do. I heard all the bashing and thought it had to be even worse than the 90's Metallica albums. When I finally heard it 2 years later I was reminded again of how much people who try to be cool piss me off. Especially when they jump on a bashwagon. By no means is it a masterpiece, but I enjoyed it.  

Yeah, it's just lazy bandwagoning. I don't even like Metallica, but I'm willing to defend them on this one because everyone only jumps to that one because it was such a high profile release.


It's definitely not as bad as Garage Inc. or either of the Load albums.

I'll take "Until it Sleeps" over tin-can, 9-minute dirges.


I agree, though I'd rather not take either....Anger is the most annoying thing they put together.  Like it by all means if you will, but, dear lord, don't read so much into Anger-hate, it's not worthy of so much misdirected attention.
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Points: 9869 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2011 at 20:18
Originally posted by DavetheSlave DavetheSlave wrote:

Originally posted by KarmaMan KarmaMan wrote:

I dunno, considering their relatively high profile, something by Camel should fit the bill. Late to the party with generic anodyne, innocuous mush. I nominate the Snow Goose though it could easily have been Moon Madness. Unbelievably this stuff was released in '75 and '76 respectively, where had they been? Make Renaissance sound like King Crimson. Elevator music.
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It's an extreme opinion and especially to propose that they made some of the worst prog albums, but I know what he is talking about and his points are well taken, especially for their post-Mirage output.  But I quite like "innocuous mush" when it's as well done as Chord Changes. Smile
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Points: 9869 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2011 at 20:25
Anyway...I agree that there are people who listen to certain kinds of extreme music only to project a certain personality. but I'd posit that that's what a lot of people who listen to lot many kinds of music do in any case. I have never figured out why or how, but most people slip into strong positions with regard to the music they like, viz, only heavy/only soft, only happy/only dark, only accessible/only challenging and so on. 
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Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

My "spiritually dangerous" reference correlates with the Nietsche quote "and when you look too deeply into the abyss, the abyss looks into you." 

I googled this and someone reasonably asked "what does that mean." The answers were amazingly shallow. I guess you have to have looked at least a little to get it. 

Not that it really matters, but I've watched quite a few people die. I've helped quite a few. My own lack of skill has contributed to a few. Death is a powerful part of this existence. We all circle it and try to poke it and figure it out. 

But when you've experienced it in reality, you realize what blackness must be in the soul to contemplate something like Leng T'che (the practice not the album). Zorn (and others) looked into the picture and saw ecstasy in the victim's face. Regardless of your religious thoughts, rather right here, right now, if this isn't spiritually dangerous territory I don't know what is. 

It would have taken a stroke of amazing genius to channel that aspect of human experience.

My personal opinion is that Naked City eventually made a mockery of it. Others obviously disagree.

Is that whole post a Nietzsche quote?
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Points: 5210 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2011 at 20:38
No, it was his lamo younger brother who forgot to put the "z" in his name.
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The only cd that I've ever purposely turned into a coffee mug coaster has been Rick Wakeman's Time Machine. I hauled it out of the player, jumped up and down on it a few times and then thought that it would serve me better as a coffee mug coaster than anything else. Dam I hated that from 1st listen.
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Points: 3196 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2011 at 12:29
Originally posted by -Radioswim- -Radioswim- wrote:

Originally posted by Conor Fynes Conor Fynes wrote:

Originally posted by toroddfuglesteg toroddfuglesteg wrote:

Does  this also include demo tapes ? 

Well, I reviewed and then sold a Abigor demo again and bought a vacuum cleaner for the money. The difference is that the vacuum cleaner is more musical than that demo + it is a very good vacuum cleaner too. You cannot go wrong with a Dyson vacuum cleaner. 


LOL Just had my best laugh of the day.

I've heard one Abigor album, and it was actually very good; although it was their latest one. 

I would say just studio albums, because its taken for granted that demos aren't all too bright for the most part. I remember hearing a Triumvirat album that made me puke.

Sick .... *gulp*
you don't mean... "Russian Roulette" .... Dead

Yes... that one.... it can turn a German 80's teenage beach party sound like a bad thing!
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Points: 3196 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2011 at 12:40
Is this the Leng T'che you're talking about?
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Points: 13382 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2011 at 12:50
Originally posted by Slaughternalia Slaughternalia wrote:

I agree that Musical taste is subjective, but I simply have a hard time believing that people legitimately enjoy this.

Just like some would have a hard time believing people legitimately enjoy Behold... The Arctopus. 
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Originally posted by irrelevant irrelevant wrote:

Originally posted by Slaughternalia Slaughternalia wrote:

I agree that Musical taste is subjective, but I simply have a hard time believing that people legitimately enjoy this.

Just like some would have a hard time believing people legitimately enjoy Behold... The Arctopus. 
 
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Points: 21795 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2011 at 13:37
Originally posted by Slaughternalia Slaughternalia wrote:

Originally posted by The Truth The Truth wrote:

Originally posted by Slaughternalia Slaughternalia wrote:

Originally posted by The Truth The Truth wrote:

Originally posted by Slaughternalia Slaughternalia wrote:

There's probably worse music on the archives, but the only reason I could think of someone to even think of listening to this is to look "deep" with their last.fm scrobbles.


It sure as hell wouldn't make them look deep. LOLWink
In the same way some who's favourite painter is Jackson Pollack is "deep". It kind of pisses me off when people try to pass Beefheart for a "genius" or something for playing some retarded sounding blues rock.


I like Beefheart and never look at his music as deep or genius but calling his music retarded-sounding is a little offensive. He did put alot of work into the record and some like it, some don't, simple as that.

RIP Don Van Vilet.
I agree that Musical taste is subjective, but I simply have a hard time believing that people legitimately enjoy this. Finding it interesting? Sure I could see that. But at the end of the day, It's pretty much just a mess of avant-garde w**kery with no structure or composition. And I mean no disrespect to Beefheart, i actually enjoy Safe As Milk to an extent, but I stand by my choice of words. Trout Mask Replica is retarded.


1). If I find something interesting, I normally legitimately enjoy it.
2). There's plenty of structure and composition on it, he's purposely making it sound avant.
3). Bottomline is, you just don't like it. Doesn't suit your musical tastes. No reason to call it retarded.
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Points: 2755 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2011 at 13:42
Originally posted by DavetheSlave DavetheSlave wrote:

The only cd that I've ever purposely turned into a coffee mug coaster has been Rick Wakeman's Time Machine. I hauled it out of the player, jumped up and down on it a few times and then thought that it would serve me better as a coffee mug coaster than anything else. Dam I hated that from 1st listen.
You couldn't  find a copy of Wakeman's Rock N Roll Prophet to use for this?
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Points: 617 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2011 at 16:11
I'm sure Rick has released enough bad albums that we can all pick a different one to use as coasters.

I mean, he's put out plenty good stuff too. But I don't think anyone here will deny that he could have done with being a bit more selective about what he released over the years.


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Points: 5210 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2011 at 20:25
Originally posted by Conor Fynes Conor Fynes wrote:

Is this the Leng T'che you're talking about?



Wow that's pretty rough too...


This is one under discussion




Edited by Negoba - July 08 2011 at 07:12
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I checked out Leng Tch'e because of this thread, and have subsequently reviewed it. If anyone wants a fresh opinion, here ya go. http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=478493
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nice review Thumbs Up
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[QUOTE=Conor Fynes]I checked out Leng Tch'e because of this thread, and have subsequently reviewed it. If anyone wants a fresh opinion, here ya go. http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=478493[/QUOTE]
 
My favorite part:
 
"The vocals do start to wear thin after fifteen minutes; it is clear that the screamer tries to change up his act as the final half streches on, but his short vocal experiments don't always work, and sometimes sound like a simian howling for bananas rather than a human being executed."
 
 
As I told Conor:
 
I actually like the Aube "Variable Ambit" a little so I guess I'm just out of the norm.
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Originally posted by Slaughternalia Slaughternalia wrote:

I agree that Musical taste is subjective, but I simply have a hard time believing that people legitimately enjoy this. Finding it interesting? Sure I could see that. But at the end of the day, It's pretty much just a mess of avant-garde w**kery with no structure or composition. And I mean no disrespect to Beefheart, i actually enjoy Safe As Milk to an extent, but I stand by my choice of words. Trout Mask Replica is retarded.
 
Well as far as I know this is entirely composed, Beefheart teaching the parts and  insisting they be played exactly as written.
 
Though anticipation keeps us coming back to a piece of music, a lot of the music we listen to, is, to a greater or lesser extent, predictable on the first listen and holds few real surprises. Perhaps he was trying to subvert that - no, I'm sure he was (here and on much of his music).  I do think it suffers on the CD format - being much easier to absorb over four sides.
 
It never seems to get stale, it might be sh*t, but never stale sh*t.
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Originally posted by Jake Kobrin Jake Kobrin wrote:

Also, check out this list: http://rateyourmusic.com/customchart?page=1&chart_type=bottom&type=album&year=alltime&genre_include=1&genres=progressive+rock%2C+progressive+metal%2C+psychedelic+rock%2C+psychedelic+folk%2C+krautrock%2C+art+rock&include_child_genres=t&include=both&origin_countries=&limit=none&countries=



If you take this list into account, I guess the two worst albums on PA are:

2.31 | 38 ratings
Take Cover
2007

1.65 | 99 ratings
In the Hot Seat 
1994
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