Can we put Rush in the super prog category?

According to my definitions I am always right  !

erik neuteboom wrote: According to my definitions I am always right  !

Oh you too? The same goes for me! Of course I'm right, if you ask me. Other people tend to disagree though...


Edited by Philéas - July 29 2006 at 10:38

micky wrote: thanks... always nice to have someone agree with my 'out-there' views....  beats being tarred and feathered hahaha

Well no problem! Since Rush's '80s albums are not prog, but made by a band who had made prog earlier, they pretty much define the prog related category.

Ghost Rider wrote: micky wrote: Philéas wrote: micky wrote: well said big difference between Genesis and Rush, the only similarity was the turn away from prog.....  Rush  did retain prog sensiblilites, Genesis did not haha... .that's why I called Rush's  80's stuff prog-related I am once again bound to agree with micky. thanks... always nice to have someone agree with my 'out-there' views....  beats being tarred and feathered hahaha OK, so Prog-Related it is.... you might not be wrong after all, though here we'd have to go into the matter of what prog really means. However, they definitely returned to the prog fold in the '90s, especially with the utterly superb "Counterparts" - an album I like even more than "Moving Pictures".

hmmm... what is prog and what is not.... here's what I think... this definition has always been a guide for me.. might explain my.... 'eccentric' views on prog hahaha I've posted this several times and really think this definition nails it.



"Progressive Rock was an outgrowth of 1960's experimental rock and fuses the looseness of rock with the rigid structure and discipline of classical music, along with various jazz, folk, and in some instances, neo-classical styles. Progressive Rock musicians exhibited both individual and ensemble virtuosity and used instruments that were both archaic e.g. lutes, harpsichords, and poised at the cutting edge of 1970’s technology, e.g. Moog and ARP synthesizers. Compositions were lengthy and exhibited both harmonic and metric complexity; lyrics dealt with matters relating to the spiritual quest and other “profound” matters; and album cover art alternately depicted middle earth fantasyscapes and futuristic imagery taken from science fiction. The most significant works of progressive rock were recorded between 1969-1977, with the peak output occurring between 1971-1976. Although primarily an English phenomenon, significant progressive rock groups also originated out of Continental Europe, with a particularly fertile scene in Italy. Finally, and most importantly progressive rock was inextricably intertwined with the 1960’s counterculture, and as the philosophical, social, and cultural underpinnings of the counterculture faded out in the mid-late 1970’s, so too did progressive rock."

My musical analysis on Rush between 1974 (their eponymous debut album) and 2003 (their latest effort Vapor Trails):

Am I the only person in the world who recognizes Test for Echo (which is a wonderful album) as the proggiest thing they've done since Moving Pictures? 

Well it certainly has more prog elements than most of their post-Signals albums, although those are better. 

Test for Echo is sadly underrated, though.

Tony R wrote: micky wrote: Philéas wrote: micky wrote: well said big difference between Genesis and Rush, the only similarity was the turn away from prog.....  Rush  did retain prog sensiblilites, Genesis did not haha... .that's why I called Rush's  80's stuff prog-related I am once again bound to agree with micky. thanks... always nice to have someone agree with my 'out-there' views....  beats being tarred and feathered hahaha   Hey,just because you talk utter bollocks about Rush doesnt mean that I dont respect you. No doubt there are many things you dont understand including certain definitions......    I suggest you click here so that you can better understand PA's definition of Prog-Related.

hahah...  utter bollocks to some ....are the words of truth to others my friend...


as far as the definitions.... they are established on the site and govern who goes where of course... but I think we all have our personal notions of those things... that is far more interesting than the dogma that the site offers as a guide.   My two cents as always....

I think that the Rush members won't be associated with the confusing term prog rock and also won't be associated with a term that is often compared with more regressive than progressive rock ... ...