Modern Prog: First Album

Rick1 wrote: ^ I think Opeth are 'Opeless but I never mention it... that said, I have least since them live and suspended judgement until then.

Cristi wrote: Psychedelic Paul wrote: Rick1 wrote: ^ I think Opeth are 'Opeless but I never mention it... that said, I have least since them live and suspended judgement until then. You've got me wondering now which one of Opeth's albums is their magnum 'opeless and the one to avoid at all costs.  you've been explained three times already, by a couple of users here which Opeth albums to listen to, but I guess you're not paying much attention...

Cristi wrote: Psychedelic Paul wrote: Rick1 wrote: ^ I think Opeth are 'Opeless but I never mention it... that said, I have least since them live and suspended judgement until then. You've got me wondering now which one of Opeth's albums is their magnum 'opeless and the one to avoid at all costs.  you've been explained three times already, by a couple of users here which Opeth albums to listen to, but I guess you're not paying much attention...

I haven't read through very much of this thread, and so the same points may have been made already but the zenith and nadir of Opeth's music will depend on the listener (Paul, your preferences are often quite atypical here and more mainstream and pop-rock oriented than many it seems). Opeth's later period music (say from Heritage up) would be a disappointment to many who preferred the earlier music. It become more retro, more hard and psychedelic rock than the earlier more metal and death metal music.   One can find similarities to Jethro Tull, and various classic Prog bands.

For instance, this has a Jethro Tull sound:



I like the folk rock aspects, but then I can say that for a lot of Opeth's music, although I wouldn't think that you would like that Comus' First Utterance as an influence, so much so that lyrics were quoted for one of the albums. This is one band that I think you would be better off working backwards (I know that isn't the way you roll) or starting with Heritage and working your way forward in time, and then go backwards with the discography from Heritage than your usual discography route. I find Pale Communion enjoyable, but for a different listener, this would be part of the "lame" era.

I think you might like this as an example (it would lack the aggression and darkness that some liked with Opeth music):



The debut would be weak to you I think.



Edited by Logan - April 06 2022 at 03:00

Rick1 wrote: Well, going back to this poll, 'Opeless managed one vote thus beating genuinely progressive bands such as Thinking Plague, Guapo and Swans.  Not an original thought in their heads - not progressive as such but conservative - 'con rock'

Rick1 wrote: Well, going back to this poll, 'Opeless managed one vote thus beating genuinely progressive bands such as Thinking Plague, Guapo and Swans.  Not an original thought in their heads - not progressive as such but conservative - 'con rock'

nick_h_nz wrote: Rick1 wrote: Well, going back to this poll, 'Opeless managed one vote thus beating genuinely progressive bands such as Thinking Plague, Guapo and Swans.  Not an original thought in their heads - not progressive as such but conservative - 'con rock' Originality is clearly not a requirement for people to like something, though.

I prophesy disaster wrote: Psychedelic Paul wrote: That's certainly true in the case of the Cardiacs debut - I'll give it a "ten" for originality, as it sounds like no other album I've heard before, but I can only give the album a "one" for replayability as I never want to hear it again.     Which album did you listen to? The album listed in this poll is actually their fourth album according to PA.

Psychedelic Paul wrote: I prophesy disaster wrote: Which album did you listen to? The album listed in this poll is actually their fourth album according to PA. I listened to A Little Man and a House and the Whole World Window, which is listed as the Cardiacs first "proper" album on Wikipedia.

Psychedelic Paul wrote: Cristi wrote: so you think Wikipedia is more credible than PA when it comes to prog?  I think we've had this argument several times before, so let's not go there again.

Psychedelic Paul wrote: Cristi wrote: Psychedelic Paul wrote: Cristi wrote: so you think Wikipedia is more credible than PA when it comes to prog?  I think we've had this argument several times before, so let's not go there again.  I can take your post in a few ways.  1. Your vague answer says that you think wiki is more credible than PA. 2. You think I'm not worth an answer, so you keep it vague. 3. You avoid an answer altogether.  I'll go for Option #3 - the safest and most diplomatic answer, hopefully.