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Kashmir75
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Posted: May 22 2012 at 03:38 |
60s- King Crimson 70s- Pink Floyd, Yes, Genesis 80s- Marillion, IQ 90s- Radiohead, Dream Theater, Tool 00s- Porcupine Tree, Opeth, The Mars Volta
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Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while...
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Kashmir75
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Posted: May 22 2012 at 03:40 |
PyramidMeetsTheEye wrote:
today i think the most influential are the porcupine tree and mars volta
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I agree. These are two of the more innovative modern progressive bands. I would add Radiohead and Opeth (although the 'Head are perhaps more of a nineties band, although their most progressive work comes from the 2000s onwards).
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Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while...
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trackstoni
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Posted: May 22 2012 at 03:59 |
i would say < None > & < All > , it depends always on when , where , why & how !? the time factor is always succeeding in developing Progressive Music to the best (1968 - 1982) to the worst ( 1982 - 1992) to stability ( 1992 - 2002) and to madness ( 2002 - 2012) and Yes , i like so many bands active since 1991 till now-a-days , but most of them were not able to Establish a style of their own , except for the Porcupines and Dreamtheater , and all the rest , they only have their moments in Studios , and they can't even get close to what was achieved back then ( 1968 - 1982) bands like the Floyds , Crimsons , Tull , VDGG , ELP ....ETC ........ ARE ONLY taking advantage from the old Success , and i believe they can't be creative anymore , cause i've seen most of them in concerts around the Globe , nothing interesting so far , but we must enjoy what we have in hands now ! and to be honest really in this ! if we haven't got people like Ian Anderson , Steve Hackett , Peter Gabriel , Robert Fripp , Peter Hamill , Steve Howe , Frank Zappa , Andrew Latimer and some other Pioneers around the Globe during the Period 68' - 82' , i believe that Progressive would ceased back then ! but Fortunately , we had Artists like Steven Wilson in the last two decades to carry on doing what we really enjoyed back then ! it always depends on the Right Timing , the Right Place and the Right People , this is what Progressive meant to be !
Edited by trackstoni - May 22 2012 at 04:02
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verslibre
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Posted: May 22 2012 at 19:15 |
StyLaZyn wrote:
Rush was the ultimate influence.
Before was was around, the idea of Rush was subconsciously implanted into the Beatles, then the Moody Blues, and Crimson. Once Rush came out, all current Prog bands were influenced by them. All future Prog will be influenced by Rush.
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Preach the word, brother!
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: May 22 2012 at 19:35 |
Fixed my original post.
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Ayudhya
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Posted: May 23 2012 at 00:51 |
Very obviously King Crimson for me. The genre was consumated by ITCOTCK's release in 1969. It seems dated now because it was so innovative back then and has set a template for so many others since. It wasn't the first album to fuse together so many disparate styles, but it was just about the first to try to explore them in depth.
Yes and Genesis were palpably influenced by KC. The classic Yes sound did not evolve until Fragile, which is strongly KC influenced. Genesis were quite open about being big KC fans in their formative years. Many bands have been subsequently infuenced by Yes and Genesis, but KC started the ball rolling.
Indeed KC's immediate influence wasn't necessarily felt in the prog-rock world. Roxy Music, themselves massively influential, owed a huge debt in their first two albums.
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: May 23 2012 at 02:11 |
Pink Floyd and King Crimson; therefore, they are the top 2 best prog bands IMO.
King Crimson inspired Genesis and Tool, but, I suppose, that goes without saying. Pink Floyd influenced Fish of Marillion and Smashing Pumpkins.
Floyd inspired me to write songs. Rick got me to play the keys. Waters and Gilmour made me want to play the acoustic guitar. Bobbins Frippers inspired me not to just play the electric guitar, but get the right tone for it.
Also, Yes gave me the idea to write long stuff, but I eventually just dropped that idea.
Edited by Dayvenkirq - May 23 2012 at 04:16
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FunkyHomoSapien
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Posted: May 23 2012 at 03:42 |
Ayudhya wrote:
Very obviously King Crimson for me. The genre was consumated by ITCOTCK's release in 1969. It seems dated now because it was so innovative back then and has set a template for so many others since. It wasn't the first album to fuse together so many disparate styles, but it was just about the first to try to explore them in depth.
Yes and Genesis were palpably influenced by KC. The classic Yes sound did not evolve until Fragile, which is strongly KC influenced. Genesis were quite open about being big KC fans in their formative years. Many bands have been subsequently infuenced by Yes and Genesis, but KC started the ball rolling.
Indeed KC's immediate influence wasn't necessarily felt in the prog-rock world. Roxy Music, themselves massively influential, owed a huge debt in their first two albums. |
Disagree. Yes influenced Crimson, not the other way round, though Im sure Crimson's success had an impact on what Yes did afterwards too.
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FunkyHomoSapien
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Posted: May 23 2012 at 03:43 |
PS and by the way, 123 did influence both of them.
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: May 23 2012 at 04:12 |
FunkyHomoSapien wrote:
Disagree. Yes influenced Crimson, not the other way round, though Im sure Crimson's success had an impact on what Yes did afterwards too. |
I don't know about Yes making impact on King Crimson, but I know that The Beatles made a huge impact on Fripp in the late 60's.
FunkyHomoSapien wrote:
PS and by the way, 123 did influence both of them. |
123 ? I don't get it.
Edited by Dayvenkirq - May 23 2012 at 04:13
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giselle
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Posted: May 24 2012 at 09:51 |
He means the band 1-2-3, later called Clouds.
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rogerthat
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Posted: May 24 2012 at 10:22 |
FunkyHomoSapien wrote:
Disagree. Yes influenced Crimson, not the other way round, though Im sure Crimson's success had an impact on what Yes did afterwards too. |
Could you please elaborate how Yes influenced Crimson - and not the other way round? Because KC began earlier than Yes. And by the time Yes began to emerge out of KC's shadow and forge their own style, around CTTE, the Crimson King was already about to assemble a new lineup that would do something completely different from ITCOTCK or Yes. On a related note, the influence of Yes and ELP is way overestimated and based more on their influence on symph prog, which is only one branch of prog and not necessarily the most important or typical or emblematic one at that.
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: May 24 2012 at 15:42 |
rogerthat wrote:
Because KC began earlier than Yes.
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I don't know if that is true. In '68 there was Giles, Giles & Fripp, and by that time Yes put out their first album, which was very much proggy.
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rogerthat
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Posted: May 24 2012 at 20:04 |
Dayvenkirq wrote:
rogerthat wrote:
Because KC began earlier than Yes.
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I don't know if that is true. In '68 there was Giles, Giles & Fripp, and by that time Yes put out their first album, which was very much proggy. |
Yes's first album was released on 25th July 1969. It was also apparently recorded in the spring of 1969. ITCOTCK came out only a bit later the same year, so I grant that KC could not have influenced the first Yes album but the reverse is certainly not true and ITCOTCK is also much more fully realized than the Yes debut.
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: May 25 2012 at 00:25 |
rogerthat wrote:
Dayvenkirq wrote:
rogerthat wrote:
Because KC began earlier than Yes.
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I don't know if that is true. In '68 there was Giles, Giles & Fripp, and by that time Yes put out their first album, which was very much proggy. |
Yes's first album was released on 25th July 1969. It was also apparently recorded in the spring of 1969. ITCOTCK came out only a bit later the same year, so I grant that KC could not have influenced the first Yes album but the reverse is certainly not true and ITCOTCK is also much more fully realized than the Yes debut.
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Crap. How is it that I remembered it as '68?
I just don't see it how KC influenced Yes OR vice versa. Yes always seemed to retain that brand of Hammond-driven rock 'til '71.
Edited by Dayvenkirq - May 25 2012 at 00:26
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Stevo
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Posted: May 25 2012 at 11:51 |
Yeah, I don't see/hear much cross polination in either direction.
I would say that KC's influence is everywhere. I hear a lot of 80s KC in the indie stuff that followed in the 90s. I hear a lot of 70s/90s KC in prog today (Kayo Dot, Maudlin of the Well, Porc Tree, Pachakaite Malko), and I hear some Floyd in the same group of bands as well. So I agree that these are the two most influential, with KC in 1st position by quite a margin.
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resurrection
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Posted: May 25 2012 at 16:19 |
Yes were formed in 1968, Crimson in 1969. As with much of music history, the recording sequences are misleading - again, as with 1-2-3 and these bands, Fripp et al regularly saw Yes grow long before either recorded.
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silverpot
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Posted: May 25 2012 at 19:07 |
Well, everybody in the business went to see Pink Floyd perform at the UFO club in 1967.
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: May 25 2012 at 21:43 |
silverpot wrote:
Well, everybody in the business went to see Pink Floyd perform at the UFO club in 1967.
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A bit of a different animal, I think.
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FunkyHomoSapien
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Posted: May 26 2012 at 03:24 |
rogerthat wrote:
FunkyHomoSapien wrote:
Disagree. Yes influenced Crimson, not the other way round, though Im sure Crimson's success had an impact on what Yes did afterwards too. |
Could you please elaborate how Yes influenced Crimson - and not the other way round? Because KC began earlier than Yes. And by the time Yes began to emerge out of KC's shadow and forge their own style, around CTTE, the Crimson King was already about to assemble a new lineup that would do something completely different from ITCOTCK or Yes.
On a related note, the influence of Yes and ELP is way overestimated and based more on their influence on symph prog, which is only one branch of prog and not necessarily the most important or typical or emblematic one at that.
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wrong - Yes came first by at least a year. The mistake you're making is following record releases. Robert Fripp, Greg Lake & co were well aware of Yes around London, particularly the Marquee long before Crimson.
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