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ivan_2068 wrote: Good point RT, when somebody askedfor 10 favorite albums, most of the people in the forum answered with at least 6 or 7 different bands, but this a DT fan's list. Dream Theater: When Dream And Day Unite Dream Theater: Images And Words Dream Theater: Awake Dream Theater: A Change Of Seasons Dream Theater: Falling Into Infinity Dream Theater: Scenes From A Memory Dream Theater: Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence Dream Theater: Train Of Thought Savatage: Poets And Madmen Mike Oldfield: Crises

Does that offend you?

I mean, I'm into Yes, Mike Oldfield, Rush, Marillion, Jethro Tull and Van Der Graff Generator, but I can't help it if Dream Theater are my fave band and I like all their albums.

Oh, I forgot... Genesis, ELP and Frank Zappa are not amoung my personal favourites, so I guess I'm not really into prog and my opinion doesn't matter.

Valarius wrote: ivan_2068 wrote: Good point RT, when somebody askedfor 10 favorite albums, most of the people in the forum answered with at least 6 or 7 different bands, but this a DT fan's list. Dream Theater: When Dream And Day Unite Dream Theater: Images And Words Dream Theater: Awake Dream Theater: A Change Of Seasons Dream Theater: Falling Into Infinity Dream Theater: Scenes From A Memory Dream Theater: Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence Dream Theater: Train Of Thought Savatage: Poets And Madmen Mike Oldfield: Crises Does that offend you? I mean, I'm into Yes, Mike Oldfield, Rush, Marillion, Jethro Tull and Van Der Graff Generator, but I can't help it if Dream Theater are my fave band and I like all their albums. Oh, I forgot... Genesis, ELP and Frank Zappa are not amoung my personal favourites, so I guess I'm not really into prog and my opinion doesn't matter.

No, it doesn't offend me at all, it0's your taste. But it's an example of how narrow can be the perspective of those who call us narrow minded.

If you  just read my  whole quote before the list you'll find it was a complement to another member's opinion.

Iván

Useful_Idiot wrote: Returning to the thread subject... I think that DT will end up being looked back on kind of in the same way that ELP is today.  They'll have a fiercely devoted fanbase who go berserk and start throwing things at even the faintest negative mention of the band, but at the same time they'll be widely regarded as a prime example of what's wrong with prog and tons of people will view them more or less as a joke.

Now I know why your called Useful Idiot... well I'm still trying to figure out the useful part

tuxon wrote: henri_ds wrote: tuxon wrote: I must say this thread isn't half as boring as the subject matter And the whole thread isn't half as stupid as you Why calling me stupid, what did I do wrong, I try to be very friendly and express my symphathy to the thread and the interesting discussion on this thread, I'm completely baffled. Both my mother as my mentor from the asylum already warned me that there where many unfriendly people out there on the net, I'm very much hurt I think Dream Theater are the best band in the world, unfortunatly they spilled their talent on bad music

ROTFLMAO, tux!

Snow Dog wrote: Certif1ed wrote: Snow Dog wrote: Yes Ivan Sabbath I reckon are metal  Maiden are supposed to be....but dont really sound it Iron Maiden were one of the stalwarts of the New Wave of British Heavy Metal in the early 1980s - of course they're metal! Yes I know they were, but that was a press description for all the bands of that time. I dont have to agree with everything the press says. i think theres room for discussion on this.

Erm... not all bands at that time were described as heavy metal, Snow Dog...

Are you seriously saying that you didn't think that "Running Free" was metal? "Run to the Hills"? "Number of the Beast"? "Aces High"? The later stuff (which I don't listen to as it all sounds the same)?

I never thought Led Zep were metal though, depite the "Lead" connection - they were heavy rock/progressive blues with a dash of folk. Real metal bands NEVER played folk (except Spinal Tap in the intro to "Stonehenge"...)

Black Sabbath's roots in the heavy blues bands are easy to hear - Blue Cheer, Spooky Tooth, Bakerloo and May Blitz all played Sabbath-sounding riffs - and they pre-date Sabbath. Strictly, Sabbath aren't really metal, as they're too blues based. The same goes for AC/DC.

However, heavy is good

You're right - we need some threads on heavy metal/rock. Probably in the "Not Related to (prog) Music" section though...

I think it isn't stupid to be a fan of DT or any prog metal band. If the main characteristic of prog are the changes, why do we have to put a limit to the change, for example only in the time during a track or an album. As snow dog said DT defined what prog metal is, and Rush is their biggest influence, but they incorporated they own hevier style, so there's a change. 

Even when they have albums I don't like (falling into infinity and 6 degrees) and i'm listening to ayreon, asia, arena, yes, jethro, ect.. i mean some of the classics and something newer, DT still my favorite. Live at Bodokan DVD is amazing, they still blow my mind.

So maybe I could say they're the best Prog Metal band. I would say Yes is the best Prog Symphonic Rock, etc. But I can't compare them.

By the way, to whoever told it ... I saw too the Yes with very special guest Dream Theater, it is true that DT was opening the concert to Yes, but that was the pospouse a Yes planned possibly last tour inviting one of the best nowdays bands, so... what's wrong with opening for the people you grew listening to??? 

pakish wrote: I think it isn't stupid to be a fan of DT or any prog metal band. If the main characteristic of prog are the changes, why do we have to put a limit to the change, for example only in the time during a track or an album. As snow dog said DT defined what prog metal is, and Rush is their biggest influence, but they incorporated they own hevier style, so there's a change.  Even when they have albums I don't like (falling into infinity and 6 degrees) and i'm listening to ayreon, asia, arena, yes, jethro, ect.. i mean some of the classics and something newer, DT still my favorite. Live at Bodokan DVD is amazing, they still blow my mind. So maybe I could say they're the best Prog Metal band. I would say Yes is the best Prog Symphonic Rock, etc. But I can't compare them. By the way, to whoever told it ... I saw too the Yes with very special guest Dream Theater, it is true that DT was opening the concert to Yes, but that was the pospouse a Yes planned possibly last tour inviting one of the best nowdays bands, so... what's wrong with opening for the people you grew listening to???

Its funny but all the Yes fans.. (and ELP fans for that matter) who wanted to see Yes on tour last year, only wanted the few shows were DT wasn't opening for them...

Snow Dog wrote: Certif1ed wrote: Snow Dog wrote: [When I said all the bands I meant all the heavy rock bands obviously. Werent Def Leppard part of that scene? Anyway if it it'llmake everyone happy....Iron Maiden are Heavy Metal!!!!!!!! Def Leppard were in the second wave of NWOBHM - and yes, they were metal. Their first 2 albums are progressive to an extent - but Pyromania (arguably their best work) is pure metal as defined in the 1980s, before Metallica came along and redefined it. Del Leppard ?HM?    No way!

You had to be there.

Way!

I saw Def Leppard supporting AC/DC, and Leppard were in top metal form.

Don't forget that metal means something else, now that Metallica have redefined it (twice!).

Have you heard Leppard's 1st 3 albums?