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Figglesnout
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Posted: May 23 2008 at 20:42 |
__On Limpid Form is still one of my very favorite Kayo Dot songs. The tension is palpable, and the repetition is incredibly intense. The beginning is beautiful, and the way it dissolves and transforms so seamlessly (at least in my eyes)...it's awesome, I think.
I enjoy Amaranth a lot as well, just not as much as __On Limpid Form.
Point of this post was: I love __On Limpid Form.
And T, even if you hate the ending, how can you deny the beauty of the first 5-6 minutes of the song, which contain, in my opinion, some of the best Kayo Dot has to offer by and far.
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The T
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Posted: May 23 2008 at 21:22 |
My review of BLD is up. You won't believe it. And you can't say I didn't justify what I'm saying there. It's a little long but The Dot deserved it.
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Posted: May 23 2008 at 21:26 |
The T wrote:
My review of BLD is up. You won't believe it. And you can't say I didn't justify what I'm saying there. It's a little long but The Dot deserved it. |
should be interesting  checking it out
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Posted: May 23 2008 at 21:36 |
well done Teo..  You should be honored.. I can be a bit harsh on the long reviews.. if I am interested enough to sit through all of it... it must be a good one.
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The T
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Posted: May 23 2008 at 21:38 |
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mecca
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Posted: May 23 2008 at 22:57 |
The T wrote:
mecca wrote:
Compositionally, I think __ on Limpid Form and Amaranth the Peddler are among the best tracks on Dowsing. |
Please explain one thing if you want: what is the "compositional" success of repeating the same EXACT thing for 14 minutes? There's no development of ideas, no changes of harmony, no changes of notes... actually, it's so literal a repetition that I can't see the "compositional" magic of it... guitar riff, cymbal crash, riff, crash, riff crash... it's, for me, the lowest point in all of prog music, and even more when I see people praising it for "compositional" values... Hell, I know it's just music and everybody's right.... I guess i will die in confusion....
great thing that BLD is so SO much better than 2006's disaster... Hell, even I could understand if it's in for album of the year! Don't compare it with the two worst tracks in the history of music.... |
I don't want to turn this into a heated argument... but I think it's fair to say you haven't given __ on Limpid From that great of a listen, the song isn't at all the same chord repeated over and over again. You may be aware of this but that's drone doom metal, you may just not like the genre, and that's perfectly okay, but your description of the latter end of the song is completely off base.
And to say Amaranth The Peddler is one of their worst songs I have to disagree with as well. The end of Amaranth was written beautifully with incredible amounts of detail. Each note has so much feeling and emotion, whereas in BLD, it songwriting is focused more on pop-esque tendencies with more accessible "hooks" and a greater abundance of vocals. Really, BLD takes less patience, and is easier to appreciate, but I think Dowsing Anemone is 20 times more rewarding to listen to. I listen to every note and they're perfectly placed; BLD seems like Kayo Dot's pop album (and I love pop if it's written nicely), I just believe that Toby is better at writing 20th century classical-inspired pieces.
As with the majority of pop, a lot of the composition-work is based on building up to the catharsis, which is what BLD is essentially. I just think that everything in DAwCT was filled to the brim with emotional release, and BLD has it more scattered about. Rather than picking and choosing the specific notes, it seems to have the desire to simply fill up the space. And some people like there to be a minimum of space, and that's cool, I just thoguht they implemented the space well before to complete the atmosphere.
P.S. I just glanced at your review, you said that Dowsing felt like there was a lot of jamming... I should bring the attention to you that there was absolutely no jamming whatsoever in the album. In fact, BLD has more "jamming", it's more jazz-influenced (listen ot the beginning of the last song, Clelia Walking, Right Hand is the One I Want, etc.). There were few, VERY FEW, improvised sections of Dowsing. The largest part being the horn solo in Aura on the Asylum Wall.
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Posted: May 23 2008 at 23:53 |
I still love everything this band has ever done. The best part is that none of it is even comparable to each other because they're all so radically different.
The warm, beautiful, atmospheric metal of Choirs of the Eye, the slow, doomy, droning dirges of Dowsing Anemone with Copper Tongue, and the terse, avant-jazz balladry of Blue Lambency Downward.
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Figglesnout
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Posted: May 24 2008 at 09:29 |
nice review T!
Although now it's obvious that I'm one in a million, as I think "Right Hand is the One I Want" is one of the best tracks on the album, and I'm not incredibly fond of "Symmetrical Arizona" (I like it, but many have professed to love it!).
Anyway, very nice review, and I'm glad you liked the music so much!
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sleeper
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Posted: May 24 2008 at 10:41 |
Excellent review T, I once again find that we are in close agreement about a Kayo Dot album.
I think its clear that Dowsing Anamone with Copper Tongue is a highly devisive album, your either going to love it or hate it. Well, having said that I'm split as I love a lot of the first half of the album and hate the second half.
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Dim
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Posted: May 25 2008 at 10:24 |
I cant come up with an overall opinion for BLD, I swear I've listened to it over and overr again, but I still feel like I'v missed parts, or theres something I need to hear more. Kinda frustrating.
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Posted: May 26 2008 at 22:15 |
sleeper wrote:
Excellent review T, I once again find that we are in close agreement about a Kayo Dot album.
I think its clear that Dowsing Anamone with Copper Tongue is a highly devisive album, your either going to love it or hate it. Well, having said that I'm split as I love a lot of the first half of the album and hate the second half.
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I more like the middle and dislike the bookends sort of its not really grouped for me Gemini Becoming the Tripod seems to drag for me and the vocals are somewhat annoying at times that said Aura on an Asylum wall is one of their best, and the first part of ___On Limpid Form and the other tracks are great still, the T should try Choirs of the Eye now....its more "post-metal" though but a tad more accessible
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Dim
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Posted: May 26 2008 at 22:17 |
heyitsthatguy wrote:
sleeper wrote:
Excellent review T, I once again find that we are in close agreement about a Kayo Dot album.
I think its clear that Dowsing Anamone with Copper Tongue is a highly devisive album, your either going to love it or hate it. Well, having said that I'm split as I love a lot of the first half of the album and hate the second half.
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I more like the middle and dislike the bookends sort of its not really grouped for me Gemini Becoming the Tripod seems to drag for me and the vocals are somewhat annoying at times that said Aura on an Asylum wall is one of their best, and the first part of ___On Limpid Form and the other tracks are great
still, the T should try Choirs of the Eye now....its more "post-metal" though but a tad more accessible
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Kayo Dot, accessible, ha
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heyitsthatguy
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Posted: May 26 2008 at 22:19 |
schizoid_man77 wrote:
heyitsthatguy wrote:
sleeper wrote:
Excellent review T, I once again find that we are in close agreement about a Kayo Dot album.
I think its clear that Dowsing Anamone with Copper Tongue is a highly devisive album, your either going to love it or hate it. Well, having said that I'm split as I love a lot of the first half of the album and hate the second half.
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I more like the middle and dislike the bookends sort of its not really grouped for me Gemini Becoming the Tripod seems to drag for me and the vocals are somewhat annoying at times that said Aura on an Asylum wall is one of their best, and the first part of ___On Limpid Form and the other tracks are great
still, the T should try Choirs of the Eye now....its more "post-metal" though but a tad more accessible
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Kayo Dot, accessible, ha |
in comparison to Dowsing, I would consider Choirs a bit more accessible doesn't mean its that accessible though
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Posted: May 27 2008 at 10:12 |
schizoid_man77 wrote:
heyitsthatguy wrote:
sleeper wrote:
Excellent review T, I once again find that we are in close agreement about a Kayo Dot album.
I think its clear that Dowsing Anamone with Copper Tongue is a highly devisive album, your either going to love it or hate it. Well, having said that I'm split as I love a lot of the first half of the album and hate the second half.
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I more like the middle and dislike the bookends sort of its not really grouped for me Gemini Becoming the Tripod seems to drag for me and the vocals are somewhat annoying at times that said Aura on an Asylum wall is one of their best, and the first part of ___On Limpid Form and the other tracks are great
still, the T should try Choirs of the Eye now....its more "post-metal" though but a tad more accessible
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Kayo Dot, accessible, ha |
A very easy listening listen. Love 'em
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Posted: May 27 2008 at 10:58 |
Yeah, compared to Dowesing... its easier to get into, especially for someone that prefers metal.
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Posted: June 06 2008 at 20:52 |
So Dowsing is amazing, everybody who disagrees is a heretic and will be burned at the stake.
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Figglesnout
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Posted: June 06 2008 at 23:21 |
Pnoom! wrote:
So Dowsing is amazing, everybody who disagrees is a heretic and will be burned at the stake.
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QF-f**kin-T
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Dim
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Posted: June 06 2008 at 23:25 |
Pnoom! wrote:
So Dowsing is amazing, everybody who disagrees is a heretic and will be burned at the stake. |
Aye!
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Pnoom!
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Posted: June 06 2008 at 23:55 |
So about __ On Limpid Form and Amaranth the Peddler:
__ On Limpid Form: first off, the first five or six minutes are some of the most beautiful music I know and if you don't like them you suck (see sig). For the last twelve, the development is slow, but it does occur and the tension is palpable (I love that word, I can just imagine palpating things!). It's understandable not liking it, but there are far worse things that have happened to music. For example: Dream Theater (see sig).
Amaranth the Peddler: easily the most noodly song on Dowsing, but that's not a bad thing. The first four minutes create an incredible tension that is perfectly resolved with that awesome mini-climax that occurs around 4-4.5 minutes in. The last six minutes wind down the album. Not a lot happens, but after 50 minutes where everything has happened, the slow ending is the right way to end it. It's not a perfect ending (it should be about half as long IMO), but it works reasonably well and it certainly doesn't ruin the album.
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The T
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Posted: June 07 2008 at 01:49 |
Pnoom! wrote:
So about __ On Limpid Form and Amaranth the Peddler:
__ On Limpid Form: first off, the first five or six minutes are some of the most beautiful music I know and if you don't like them you suck (see sig). For the last twelve, the development is slow, but it does occur and the tension is palpable (I love that word, I can just imagine palpating things!). It's understandable not liking it, but there are far worse things that have happened to music. For example: Dream Theater (see sig).
Amaranth the Peddler: easily the most noodly song on Dowsing, but that's not a bad thing. The first four minutes create an incredible tension that is perfectly resolved with that awesome mini-climax that occurs around 4-4.5 minutes in. The last six minutes wind down the album. Not a lot happens, but after 50 minutes where everything has happened, the slow ending is the right way to end it. It's not a perfect ending (it should be about half as long IMO), but it works reasonably well and it certainly doesn't ruin the album.
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