Are RUSH actually Prog?

What I said was that in a hypothetical web page that lists Prog records instead of artists, you could have TAAB and PP, two albums that helped define Prog, and maybe not the rest of JT's production, which is more Blues-based or Folk-based. Also, if for exampke Michael Buble' released a Prog album in, say, 2022, you could have that album listed on the website without having to issue Michael with a Prog artist'passport'. Rush could have their Proggier albums listed (and their poppier ones would be left out) and Threads like this one would cease to exist. I think the web sitecshould showcase Prog music rather than bands who have at some point in their career been pkaying Progressive Rock.we could have Foxtrot and Nursery Cryme here but not Invisible Touch, which makes sense when you think about it.i hope I didn't make you hold your breath for too long! I was asleep.

Yes I think so. I would rather discusd whether a certain record has any Prog credentials than whether the artist does/did. Something akin to discussing ideas, not people.

Un Amico wrote: What I said was that in a hypothetical web page that lists Prog records instead of artists, you could have TAAB and PP, two albums that helped define Prog, and maybe not the rest of JT's production, which is more Blues-based or Folk-based. Also, if for exampke Michael Buble' released a Prog album in, say, 2022, you could have that album listed on the website without having to issue Michael with a Prog artist'passport'. Rush could have their Proggier albums listed (and their poppier ones would be left out) and Threads like this one would cease to exist. I think the web sitecshould showcase Prog music rather than bands who have at some point in their career been pkaying Progressive Rock.we could have Foxtrot and Nursery Cryme here but not Invisible Touch, which makes sense when you think about it.i hope I didn't make you hold your breath for too long! I was asleep.

The Dark Elf wrote: Catcher10 wrote: Un Amico wrote: What I said was that in a hypothetical web page that lists Prog records instead of artists, you could have TAAB and PP, two albums that helped define Prog, and maybe not the rest of JT's production, which is more Blues-based or Folk-based. Also, if for exampke Michael Buble' released a Prog album in, say, 2022, you could have that album listed on the website without having to issue Michael with a Prog artist'passport'. Rush could have their Proggier albums listed (and their poppier ones would be left out) and Threads like this one would cease to exist. I think the web sitecshould showcase Prog music rather than bands who have at some point in their career been pkaying Progressive Rock.we could have Foxtrot and Nursery Cryme here but not Invisible Touch, which makes sense when you think about it.i hope I didn't make you hold your breath for too long! I was asleep. Ok let me be more specific to my prior question.......Forget about the website part. What are your specific reasons why TAAB and APP are the only albums that you consider prog music in JTull catalog? Why do you not consider Aqualung prog? Or Minstrel in the Gallery, Songs from the Woods, Heavy Horses or Stormwatch. May I repeat, this thread is laughable. A sensible person could list any number of albums from Rush as prog. Same as Tull. Same as Floyd.

Right on. And what if one crappy Genesis album has one prog song on it, like Second Home By The Sea. Does it stay or go? And one man's prog is another's noise, I see more arguments with this prog albums only fantasy, not less.

Un Amico wrote: Aqualung gets a pass too. I did not mean that lterally, just as an example. There may be others too.i am having this discussion with you as if we just met in a record store and chatting while we are looking at albums. Do not take every word literally please.

Just for the record, I don't find anything prog about Aqualung while other people do. How is that rectified?

So, do we go by what you think is prog and ignore the opinions of others? How do you make this work is my question.

Edited by SteveG - May 03 2021 at 16:52

A lot of people (even prog fans) seem to have an all or nothing opinion as to whether something is prog or not. To them it's either 100 percent  prog or 100 percent not. There's a lot of grey area in between in my opinon. So when someone says "aqualung" or maybe some other album isn't prog then we might automatically assume it's just a regular rock album. That's just not the case (it's certainly not the case with aqualung which at the very least is art rock). 

I think for me Progressive means it has to expand the boundaries and take some risks. The risk is to be commercially unsuccesful. Underground is probanly a better word for it. The tightrope walk rather than the climb up the charts. Something along those lines anyway. Does that match your thoughts in some way?

Edited by Un Amico - May 03 2021 at 18:06