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Originally posted by Jacob Schoolcraft Jacob Schoolcraft wrote:

On P.E. there are members who are more likely to talk about Jade Warrior, Ange, Pulsar and other European underground bands. At least it seems that way. This is of interest because you've got PE members who will offer up information about these bands that you sometimes won't find on the internet.

Unfortunately there are a lot of snooty people on P.E. who think of music as a competitive sport. I don't think of music in that way and I try to avoid members of the site that do. Some of the opinions on P.E. I have difficulties in accepting. If you dislike Jethro Tull that is your right....but to say that Ian Anderson is not great on flute is just silly. Of course he's not the greatest..but he could improvise like Herbie Mann or Mel Collins if he wanted to. He just has no desire to. It's the musicians in Kiss and Grand Funk Railroad who are not great on their instruments . So on P.E. you'll have 2 or 3 members stating that Ian Anderson is not very good and then the next post down you'll have members talking about how great Grand Funk Railroad are on their instruments...and it's such a turn off

Alan Holdsworth is often tossed around in conversation like the greatest guitarist on earth. He's often held above other phenomenal players and it's not accurate to say so logically. I sometimes see more of a sharing process on Prog Archives where people actually agree on viewpoints other than their own.

There are also P.E. members which hail from Cumberland County, New Jersey and that particular area has no culture and regarding music it has a back in the woods mentality..which is very backwards, macho...and moronic to me. And that exists on P.E. which doesn't seem to surface too much on Progarchives.




I can understand why you might think this and there are some people on there who seem to be like that but I don't think it's as bad as it used to be. The really snobby people either got bored or were kicked out or whatever. I think a lot of them tend to like more than just symph prog or prog metal and many are big fans of RIO and avant garde. Most of the prog places I see online seem to be mostly younger fans who seem to be really into prog metal and not much else or maybe just newer prog and aside from the most well known 70s bands (or well known in general) don't know much about the lesser known (old and newer) bands. At least that's been my experience. Go on any of the prog reddit pages and you'll see what I mean. They might occasionally mention Eloy, Triumvirat, PFM, Ange or Nektar but probably not much more obscure than those.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote richardh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2025 at 00:08
I went over there once and was pleased to see an ongoing conversation with Steve Babb about the last Glass Hammer album. That was cool. However I feel very invested in PA and also prog yt channels generally name check PA not PE because of the expansive database. 
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Ian Anderson is great on flute and some of his sound on Aqualung [my favorite album by them] is great, especially on the starrer My God. [sorry, if I confused a song's name]. That being said, I never could like early or late Tull. They seemed uneven to me. Stuff like Bouree is decent but there is much fluff in there as well. Personally, I think they have two top tier albums out of which I personally only would rate Aqualung as an all time classic.

Still, as the poster said, everyone has their opinion on music. There is little objectively right or wrong [unless you are talking about Rolling Stones' Bridges to Babylon. That has to be the single most worst thing I have listened in my early rock phase :p] and I can't criticize Tull or most bands on a musical level, even if I don't like them.
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Originally posted by Jacob Schoolcraft Jacob Schoolcraft wrote:

Unfortunately there are a lot of snooty people on P.E. who think of music as a competitive sport.
And ironically, Progarchives is the one that has an entire section for "polls" where users pick their favorite bands. 🤣
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Jacob Schoolcraft Jacob Schoolcraft wrote:

On P.E. there are members who are more likely to talk about Jade Warrior, Ange, Pulsar and other European underground bands. At least it seems that way. This is of interest because you've got PE members who will offer up information about these bands that you sometimes won't find on the internet.

Unfortunately there are a lot of snooty people on P.E. who think of music as a competitive sport. I don't think of music in that way and I try to avoid members of the site that do. Some of the opinions on P.E. I have difficulties in accepting. If you dislike Jethro Tull that is your right....but to say that Ian Anderson is not great on flute is just silly. Of course he's not the greatest..but he could improvise like Herbie Mann or Mel Collins if he wanted to. He just has no desire to. It's the musicians in Kiss and Grand Funk Railroad who are not great on their instruments . So on P.E. you'll have 2 or 3 members stating that Ian Anderson is not very good and then the next post down you'll have members talking about how great Grand Funk Railroad are on their instruments...and it's such a turn off

Alan Holdsworth is often tossed around in conversation like the greatest guitarist on earth. He's often held above other phenomenal players and it's not accurate to say so logically. I sometimes see more of a sharing process on Prog Archives where people actually agree on viewpoints other than their own.

There are also P.E. members which hail from Cumberland County, New Jersey and that particular area has no culture and regarding music it has a back in the woods mentality..which is very backwards, macho...and moronic to me. And that exists on P.E. which doesn't seem to surface too much on Progarchives.


I can understand why you might think this and there are some people on there who seem to be like that but I don't think it's as bad as it used to be. The really snobby people either got bored or were kicked out or whatever. I think a lot of them tend to like more than just symph prog or prog metal and many are big fans of RIO and avant garde. Most of the prog places I see online seem to be mostly younger fans who seem to be really into prog metal and not much else or maybe just newer prog and aside from the most well known 70s bands (or well known in general) don't know much about the lesser known (old and newer) bands. At least that's been my experience. Go on any of the prog reddit pages and you'll see what I mean. They might occasionally mention Eloy, Triumvirat, PFM, Ange or Nektar but probably not much more obscure than those.

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Whilst not directly related but I somehow perceive PE to be more serious for some reasons. Their registration page kind of gave me that seriousness persona. On most forums [whether music related or not], I just have the standard Clash's 'London Calling' poster as my profile image [just like here]. But I was afraid that if I put up a punk band's image as my profile one on PE, the ban hammer would come on me. So, I just put King Crimson's debut LP's image as my profile version there LOL
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Originally posted by kirk782 kirk782 wrote:

Whilst not directly related but I somehow perceive PE to be more serious for some reasons. Their registration page kind of gave me that seriousness persona. On most forums [whether music related or not], I just have the standard Clash's 'London Calling' poster as my profile image [just like here]. But I was afraid that if I put up a punk band's image as my profile one on PE, the ban hammer would come on me. So, I just put King Crimson's debut LP's image as my profile version there LOL


I've been there almost as long as I've been here and at the time, I was the only with Garion (long gone in both sites - at least posting-wise) and Ivàn. I had joined there, because they held some very interesting polls and the results fitted much more with my tastes than here. But I never got involved there as much as here (no DB to develop).

Their membership also includes some key  actors of the prog scene (including label owners), which made/makes it more uptight about negative criticism and pillaging of music in general. The site philosophy was also quite different, as the archives disappeared about so many months of unused silent threads. Ditto for the poll results and reviews published, who +/- disappeared when they switched to a new platform in 2012.

In a way there was a one-way animosity towards PA, partially because of M@X's ruthlessness (trying to go to the top - PA reached #83 of all music sites at one point - and make money out of it) and the "samples" on offer, which sometimes neared the whole album (I remember a Guapo incident) in an era where YT didn't feature all of what they do nowadays. But most of the anymosity is now long gone history, and since the prog space is slightly regressing, there seems to be a concern about about the "only other" source (not counting DPRP and SoT) of info hosting a forum.
Also, in PE, they were adamant about respecting the ban of politics & religion subjects right from the start, whereas in PA, this was much more open for 20 years (until the still-recent ban)

I don't know about the "seriousness", but yessss, it's a tougher place there to survive than here (many here tried & failed). Difficult to be rookie/noob over there, and you had/have to be more careful about what you wrote/write there than over here.

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I got banned from PE in 2019 for calling out Poisoned Youth for his Covid misinformation.

To be honest, I haven't missed it.  It had turned into something of a cesspool, as unregulated social media tends to do.
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We steer clear of those kinds of controversial discussions here. Although there were a lot of heated discussions back then on that and other issues. Some very sloppy interpreting of data. It's so important to not spread disinformation and misinformation, especially when it comes to serious things like health issues and who is better, Yes or Genesis? The answer is Magma, by the way.

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Originally posted by rcarlberg rcarlberg wrote:

I got banned from PE in 2019 for calling out Poisoned Youth for his Covid misinformation.

To be honest, I haven't missed it.  It had turned into something of a cesspool, as unregulated social media tends to do.


Well that's nonsense, please don't use such inflammatory terms when we have our fair share of trolls here. PE may not be for all but it's a fairly gentle place compared to the vast majority of the internet. I consider it somewhat of a haven of tranquility.
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Lately it seems like some people have been taking their juvenile pills over there (unlike this place of course Wink).

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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Originally posted by rcarlberg rcarlberg wrote:

I got banned from PE in 2019 for calling out Poisoned Youth for his Covid misinformation.

To be honest, I haven't missed it.  It had turned into something of a cesspool, as unregulated social media tends to do.


Well that's nonsense, please don't use such inflammatory terms when we have our fair share of trolls here. PE may not be for all but it's a fairly gentle place compared to the vast majority of the internet. I consider it somewhat of a haven of tranquility.

Not only that but Covid didn't really become much of a thing until around March of 2020 so unless he and Cozy lived in China I doubt it happened in 2019. Wink Also, why would Cozy (P.Y.) wait until early 2024 to ban him? That makes no sense (yes, I checked and he has posts that appear then). That said they do seem to sometimes ban people for reasons that seem to have more to do with ego than anything really substantial.


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I probably get more info for my reviews from PE more than anywhere else. So many knowledgable people, musicians, etc. It's like getting inside information much of the time. I'm not a social person at all. I've never joined facebook or instagram etc. And never will. So I don't post a lot, but again as a resource that site is a gold mine. PE and PA are the two sites I visit most.
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Originally posted by rcarlberg rcarlberg wrote:

I got banned from PE in 2019 for calling out Poisoned Youth for his Covid misinformation.

To be honest, I haven't missed it.  It had turned into something of a cesspool, as unregulated social media tends to do.
Covid? Well, that's THE reason, lol. They banned many newly registered members for nothing, often just after a single post with polite text of a few sentences—maybe with a related embedded YT video—that are in line with the topic and cannot be classified as spam or trolling. That's a shame. You know, after registering on PE, users are not allowed to post right away; instead, they must wait a few days to pass a moderator query, which took a couple of days. So, like, what can be a reason for a bunch of newbies getting kicked off PE? Honestly, I just don't get it.
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Originally posted by Hosydi Hosydi wrote:

Originally posted by rcarlberg rcarlberg wrote:

I got banned from PE in 2019 for calling out Poisoned Youth for his Covid misinformation.

To be honest, I haven't missed it.  It had turned into something of a cesspool, as unregulated social media tends to do.
Covid? Well, that's THE reason, lol. They banned many newly registered members for nothing, often just after a single post with polite text of a few sentences—maybe with a related embedded YT video—that are in line with the topic and cannot be classified as spam or trolling. That's a shame. You know, after registering on PE, users are not allowed to post right away; instead, they must wait a few days to pass a moderator query, which took a couple of days. So, like, what can be a reason for a bunch of newbies getting kicked off PE? Honestly, I just don't get it.

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I have always found PE a very warm and welcoming place, and cannot think of one argument I have had there.

Contrast that to the Covid period here, which was simply horrible - and, yes, I know that more than a few disagreed with my observations on the topic, although in terms of how to make points and core truths, I personally think that hindsight has justified much of what I said (I based much of my thoughts of the time that Boris & Hancock et al were such inveterate liars, that very little they said could be trusted, so not really that controversial at all. Further, humanity is a herd creature, in the main willing to follow and swallow any load of old cobblers passing as the truth, hence the fact that snake oil salesmen still do very well, thank you very much).
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^ Maybe but the herd mentality goes both ways.   The Covid/vaccine deniers were just as sheep-like as anyone.
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

^ Maybe but the herd mentality goes both ways.   The Covid/vaccine deniers were just as sheep-like as anyone.

You mean like flatearthers and hipsters? Wink
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Here we go with the broad brushes again, and the name calling. I thought that political topics were not allowed anymore? If there ever was a political topic, then it's COVID.
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