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The Hemulen 
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 Posted: July 30 2005 at 14:30 |
 Dick Heath wrote:
Bilek wrote:
At least their avant-garde keyboardist Jon Lord's solo works maybe?!?!? |
avant-garde - interesting you seem have a different meaning of
the phrase, than this end of Europe......................
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I wouldn't agree with avant garde, but much of his solo work IS quite proggy. Orchestral stuff n' all.
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Drew
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Posted: July 30 2005 at 14:35 |
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Just say no to Queen!!!!!!
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Dick Heath
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Posted: July 30 2005 at 14:50 |
Trouserpress wrote:
[QUOTE=Dick Heath]
[QUOTE=Bilek]
I wouldn't agree with avant garde, but much of his solo work IS quite proggy. Orchestral stuff n' all.
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I agree with you TP - but avant garde has never been a term I would use for Jon Lord's playing or compositional work, esp. Concerto......................
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Odd24
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Posted: July 30 2005 at 15:01 |
Prog purists say that Queen isn't prog and I agree with them (even though I like the music of Queen very much).
Like there are prog purists, there are also jazz purists and those people will even have a more hard time convincing people that something is jazz or not. And for jazz purists it will be a big disappointment that Brian Wilson has played on the Montreux Jazz festival, that's about the worst a jazz purist can take I think (don't get me wrong here, I love the music Brian Wilson made, but it's definitely not jazz).
To come back on the prog subject, we must be lucky we are not completely lost here. If Level 42 reaches the progarchives, then I will become desperate...
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Right down the line
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maani
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Posted: July 30 2005 at 17:07 |
Two quotes from the collaborators thread are worth noting.
First, from geezer: "I would also like to say that I think it is a joke if some of the reviewers will review Queen albums with five stars or perhaps even four stars on a site called ProgArchives. After all, these ratings mean "essential masterpiece of progressive rock" and "excellent addition to any prog rock collection". Think about that. Of course, it would be totally acceptable for instance on a site called RockArchives."
Second, from Useful Idiot: "...Look at the biography we're using for them: "Queen is a British rock band which was popular during the 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s; even to this day they remain loved by millions. The group is well known for its sports anthems (although most were not written to be such) and classic rock radio staples, particularly the hits "We Are the Champions", "We Will Rock You", and "Bohemian Rhapsody"; the band promoted the latter, first released in 1975, with one of the earliest successful music videos, and later re-released it for the soundtrack album from the movie Wayne's World. Queen are widely recognised as pioneers of heavy metal, glam rock, and stadium rock, even crossing over into progressive rock at times." Shouldn't a band listed on here do more than just cross into progressive rock at times?"
Peace.
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richardh
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Posted: July 30 2005 at 17:11 |
Too true Maani. 
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Certif1ed
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Posted: July 30 2005 at 17:11 |
nimrodel wrote:
Trouserpress wrote:
I'm very pleased by this move. That is all. |
i could say it better, so i wont.
agree.
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Me too.
And I'd like to say  to anyone who's upset by this decision - get a life!
...and there appears to be at least one Admin who's stirring unecessarily...
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Wormboy
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Posted: July 30 2005 at 18:48 |
Trouserpress wrote:
I'm very pleased by this move. That is all.
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And I am very displeased. I think listing Queen as prog is pretty
silly. Oh well. Can't say it matters that much. But
if you dilute the prog too much, what do you have left? Pretty
much everything that isn't straight up rock.
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Wormboy
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Posted: July 30 2005 at 18:50 |
maani wrote:
Two quotes from the collaborators thread are worth noting.
First, from geezer: "I would also like to say that I think it is a joke if some of the reviewers will review Queen albums with five stars or perhaps even four stars on a site called ProgArchives.
After all, these ratings mean "essential masterpiece of progressive
rock" and "excellent addition to any prog rock collection". Think about
that. Of course, it would be totally acceptable for instance on a site
called RockArchives."
Second, from Useful Idiot: "...Look at the biography we're using for them: "Queen
is a British rock band which was popular during the 1970s, 1980s, and
1990s; even to this day they remain loved by millions. The group is
well known for its sports anthems (although most were not written to be
such) and classic rock radio staples, particularly the hits "We Are the
Champions", "We Will Rock You", and "Bohemian Rhapsody"; the band
promoted the latter, first released in 1975, with one of the earliest
successful music videos, and later re-released it for the soundtrack
album from the movie Wayne's World. Queen are widely recognised as
pioneers of heavy metal, glam rock, and stadium rock, even crossing over into progressive rock at times." Shouldn't a band listed on here do more than just cross into progressive rock at times?"
Peace.
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MANTICORE
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Posted: July 30 2005 at 20:43 |
QUEEN IS A GREAT BAND BUT NOT PROG
THEY HAVE A VERY SYMPHONIC STYLE IN SONGS LIKE: BICYCLE, KILLER QUEEN IN MY OPINION THE ONE THAT MAS APPROACHES PROG STYLE IS "MUSTAPHA"
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CrazyDiamond
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Posted: July 30 2005 at 20:59 |
 The song is "bicyle race". 
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Eetu Pellonpaa
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Posted: July 31 2005 at 06:58 |
The Queen subject doesn't rise anykind of emotions in me. 
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The Hemulen
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Posted: July 31 2005 at 07:00 |
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M. B. Zapelini
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Posted: July 31 2005 at 08:04 |
I don't like Queen, but they have some prog-rock elements:
a) Musics with lots of tempo changes
b) Amazing musicians
c) Their albums had a lot of diversity in terms of musical styles (at least in the 70's).
Obviously, they're not progressive all the time, but there's a plenty of bands who weren't too! If you don't like Queen too, do what I am doing: avoid the Queen section at progarchives!
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CrazyDiamond
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Posted: July 31 2005 at 08:09 |
M. B. Zapelini wrote
b) Amazing musicians
 Brian May doesn't make a band.
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Publius
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Posted: July 31 2005 at 08:12 |
philippe wrote:
The day Maiden and others will be here, I will leave the place |
Amen to that.
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I'm so prog, I clap in 9/8
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: July 31 2005 at 08:14 |
CrazyDiamond wrote:
M. B. Zapelini wrote
b) Amazing musicians
Brian May doesn't make a band.
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The others were brilliant as well - musicians don't have to be virtuosos to deserve being called brilliant.
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Chris88
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Posted: July 31 2005 at 08:15 |
I dont know if this has already been mentioned but I would like to see bands such as Uncle Moes Space Ranch, Tribal Tech and On the Virg.
As for queen, People should just get over it. As much as i cant stand them i can see why they are considered Prog and Innovative
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Eetu Pellonpaa
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Posted: July 31 2005 at 08:20 |
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CrazyDiamond
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Posted: July 31 2005 at 08:27 |
MikeEnRegalie wrote
The others were brilliant as well - musicians don't have to be virtuosos to deserve being called brilliant.
Your opinion, but mine is different. I never said I was against non-virtuoso musicians, but those one (especially in the LAST albums, but also in the early one) don't have to be called AMAZING.
AMAZING, on this site, is neither John Deacon nor Roger Taylor. They are.. GOOD (if you want)
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