Announcing the Prog-Metal split

keiser willhelm wrote: Proletariat wrote: keiser willhelm wrote: could you let me know about my earlier quesiton, townsend opeth and co. chillin with the post metalers?  Look at the defonition. They fit under Art Metal oops overlooked. thanks  .  hmmm i  dont know.  maybe we need to split up the new sub genres. . .  some are a little broad.

This why I don't use genres in my music programs, it gets way too messy after a while...

I still don't agree with it, but I'm not in charge, so let's see if we can't at least have you do it right.

Indukti does not belong in extreme/tech. Experimental/post is a MUCH better home (they borrow a whole lot from post-rock).

While Aberrant Vascular doesn't contain death vocals, it can get fairly technical. Fits the avant-garde descriptor in the extreme/tech section.

Alethian seems like extreme/tech to me. Prog tech death. In fact, the descriptor was practically made for them.

A symphonic/operatic division would work well, really, since we have the likes of Rhapsody, Adagio, Nightwish, Epica, et cetera. Especially with the aforementioned Aberrant Vascular.

...and Blind Guardian somehow got inserted in the mix; remove it.

Wait, more seriously, who the hell added Star One? There is no justification for that. Arjen created for the express purpose of having a straightforward metal band. Next thing you know, someone's going to throw in Amorphis, and I'm going to monumentally displeased.

TheProgtologist wrote: Proletariat wrote: keiser willhelm wrote: could you let me know about my earlier quesiton, townsend opeth and co. chillin with the post metalers?  Look at the defonition. They fit under Art Metal   Thanks for clarifying that.There are a few bands that are just really hard to pin down to one genre.   Do you think Tool are tech/extreme or "classic" prog metal ala DT?   Opeth is another really difficult one,they aren't purely tech/extreme(don't let the growls mislead you),so we can't put them there.   The definitions might need a little tweaking,and so bands might get misplaced and after some talk,debate and feedback could get placed elsewhere.   Please be patient everyone...Rome wasn't built in a day.

MikeEnRegalia wrote: ^ Of course if one were to make a top 20 list of the best, most popular and influential bands of prog metal that list would contain both Dream Theater and Opeth. But does that mean they have to be in the same genre? If you look at the great Prog Rock bands you'll also find that they're scattered across many genres.

^ my bad ... but what I said also makes sense for DT/Tool.

BTW: Even with this split it will still be possible to build a page which lists all the bands. So the desire to have a top list which features both DT, Tool (and Opeth) should not be a reason to be against the split. It's also currently not possible to have both King Crimson and Genesis appear in a "key albums" list for a genre ...

^ please continue to post your thoughts ... the whole split is not carved in stone yet, and we (the team) will continue to discuss, weigh considerations, move bands back and forth until we finally reach a point where we consider it done. We also need a moment to let the new situation "sink in", browse the new categories and try to determine whether things feel right.

Someone mentioned Indukti to the Experimental/Post metal section, I agree with this and also I would send Tool there for the obvious similarities between the two bands (Tool seem to be THE major influence on Indukti) IMO.

Excellent, a good move guys. I appreciate your efforts in making a great site even better! There's certainly enough diversity in Prog Metal to warrant such changes.

Edited by Nightfly - October 23 2007 at 14:58

Nightfly wrote: Excellent, a good move guys. I appreciate your efforts in making a great site even better! There's certainly enough diversity in Prog Metal to warrant such changes.   Would this move allow for the introduction of bands who may have been on the fringes of the scope of Prog Archives. Metallica for example whilst primarily a Thrash Metal band, at least in their early days have had quite a few epics over their albums. Master of Puppets being an obvious example.