Artists considered prog on here but not elsewhere - Progressive Rock Music Forum

^ As much as I adore Enya I'd classify her (and probably Clannad as well) as New Age - in no way are they even prog related in my opinion.

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Clannad had a hit with the revolutionary "Harry's Game" in 1983. It formed the blueprint for Enya's work, but that shouldn't be held against it. The reason Clannad is now often considered new age is because, rather than continue to innovate as they did until about 1987, they decided to copy Enya with most of their 1990s work. If you listen to most of their 1970s and 1980s efforts, they contributed hugely to Irish folk and were as progressive in their way as artists like Alan Stivell and Horslips, to use other prog folk examples

The Dark Elf wrote:

SteveG wrote:

Enya prog? OMG.

Well, Enya was originally in Clannad....so....if Clannad is "prog".....

That’s ridiculous, and you know it. Apart from the fact that Enya was barely in Clannad at all (two albums), being a member of a band doesn’t make something prog or not prog. 🙄

[EDIT] Much to the horror of some here, I’m sure, I don’t mind Enya either. I’m not a fan of Clannad at all, but I quite like quite a few Enya songs.

So to ultra simplify things, I don’t really like Clannad, but I’m aware they are considered prog outside PA, and I can understand why (regardless of whether I agree with that, or like the band); and I do like quite a bit of Enya, but have never thought of her as prog, and it would seem neither has anyone else.

Edited by nick_h_nz - June 28 2021 at 11:01

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not to blow my own horn here but at least one of my google searches involving Clannad and prog justified their discussion based on Clannad being in PA Geek

. So we have some influence too

nick_h_nz wrote:

I feel like both of you guys are either missing my point, or twisting it. It’s not about what I consider prog, or about the difference between prog and progressive. It was merely a recognition that one of the pre requisites to be included in PA is that the artist or band is considered prog outside PA. Clannad was presented as an example of a band supposedly not considered prog outside PA (irrelevant of whether or not they are prog), and I replied that (rightly or wrongly) PA is not the only place that recognises Clannad as prog. All I was arguing, if you can even call it that, is that you can’t suggest Clannad should not be in PA because they are not considered prog elsewhere - as they are (again, rightly or wrongly).

Not missing your point. Just adding to your point that many consider revolutionary artists prog when they're not. BandCamp is the worst. A little bit of experimental touches and they add the prog tag. Ugh.

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Easy Money wrote:

For some of the more questioned artists that have been mentioned, their addition often has less to do with their music, but has more to do with some site members who have been on the site a long time and have done a lot of work on the site know how to work the system and know how to get artists on here.

I used to be one of those people before I retired from working on the site. There used to be several others who do not come around much anymore.

The imperfections of a democratic system!

OK, the site isn't perfect but really... who cares if Tori Amos is here or not.

The overall usefulness of this site is 95% kickass!

Unfortunately we live in a dimension / universe / whatever that doesn't allow 100% perfection.

I signed the petition to appeal that decision but haven't yet gotten an answer.

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...errr....Rush?

(Sorry, I could not contain myself!)

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The Dark Elf wrote:

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I still would like someone to explain how Clannad is "Prog Folk" while Fairport Convention is only "Prog-Related". Fairport was far more progressive and influential in Brit folk -- it is laughable. I repeat, laughable.

Hi,

I suppose that all the freedom that FC makes use of in the early days with Thompson going silly on the guitar, and the the violin doing the same thing, that kinda makes it "prog-related", however, it should ultimately be changed and completely updated to something or other since "Prog Folk" would not, generally, have improvisation and long winded solos! I supposed that it was just about the little songs and well known limericks and lyrics.

This kinda reminds me of the early days Bob Dylan, when he picked up an electric guitar and every one thought he was being stupid and just another hacker out there. It did not "change" who he was, and it added a lot more to his work in the end. But the folks that hated something electric in "Folk Music" were the first ones to leave the bus and never hear or appreciate the music and where it was headed as time went by, with or without Bob!

The Folk Clubs here in Portland (two here I think I have seen), do not do "acoustic" folk music anymore, just to give you an idea, meaning that the so called "Prog Folk" is based on an acoustic idea that is not exemplary of the history of Folk music at all. Thus, this designation needs to be cleaned up and likely removed, although there are many acoustic folks out there that could use that designation, but I bet that less folks listen to it, than anything else!

Times change ... and the idea of "Prog Folk" is long gone. PA just has to do some small adjusting to the designations to ensure they "fit" a reasonable and decent description of what the music is all about ... and today, the idea of "Prog Folk" probably gets more laughs and jokes than metal surgery on your w**ker!

Edited by moshkito - June 29 2021 at 10:17

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cstack3 wrote:

...errr....Rush?

(Sorry, I could not contain myself!)

Geez, Not this again! Go to your room! LOL

^ why is it so hard to recognize non-prog bands as having prog albums? They are here for those albums and for no other reason.

Can anybody really claim that albums like HEMISPHERES, A FAREWELL TO KINGS and 2112 aren't prog?

Me no thinks so

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