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Posted: February 12 2020 at 15:24 |
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Man so much Styx hate, I think pieces of eight and grand illusion are really solid albums, especially the former. Sure Kansas is better imo but Styx wasn’t bad until cornerstone, but tbh, Kilroy is what really ruined them. |
Yeah, I don't get it either. I'm not a super huge fan but I like what I have heard and I think for a semi prog aor band they weren't bad at all. Of course they don't really stand a chance on a prog site but if this were on a non prog site the results would be different. I'm not saying Kansas would win necessarily but there wouldn't be the landslide there is here. That's for sure.
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Posted: February 12 2020 at 15:33 |
No way. Journey would beat them both.
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Posted: February 12 2020 at 15:34 |
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No way. Journey would beat them both. |
If they were in the mix maybe. I think Journey might have sold more copies than Kansas or Styx mainly because of the escape album.
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Posted: February 12 2020 at 16:56 |
I’d hope both bands would wipe the floor with Journey
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Posted: February 12 2020 at 21:06 |
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I’d hope both bands would wipe the floor with Journey |
As much as a like journey and I do really like them I prefer Styx and Kansas .. had Journey stayed on track with their first album things I might see differently
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Posted: February 12 2020 at 23:37 |
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Kansas but not Styx.
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Posted: February 13 2020 at 00:47 |
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Kansas is infinitely superior in every way by any possible measure. |
Except in making me care enough to buy a single song.
Personally, I don't give two rips about that knock-off, low budget, pseudo-prog band dubbed "Kansas."
At least Styx is actually enjoyable and has significant replay value. I don't listen to Kansas except when I forget my phone at home and it pops up on the radio. And even then, I usually flick to other stations to see if there is something good playing before I suffer through another replay of sub-par musicianship from Leftoverture. Kansas was where virtuoso music went to cry itself to sleep to the sound of "Carry on Wayward Son" and its IQ diminishing, mind numbing repetitive off-key vocals.
At least when Styx put out trite they had the decency to kill the band (cough Kilroy). Meanwhile, Kansas hasn't had a decent song since their first album. Love em or hate em, Styx's albums were consistent and at least entertaining. Kansas is the musical definition of brain drain.
Plus, Styx's early stuff was legit prog and was actually pretty cool. Their first track, "Movement for the Common Man", actually did Copeland's Fanfare in rock form before any other rock band. And then there is the criminally underrated Crystal Ball which is a full blown prog-pop album with some of their strongest and best material ("Ballerina" is friggin great, "Put me On" is full blown prog, "Crystal Ball" is excellent folk-rock/prog, and the whole album has one amazing and consistent sound and tone which is lacking even on the best produced prog albums all too often).
Not to mention we can talk endlessly about the Hendrix inspired Young's guitar work and the fact that he is basically the reason many awesome guitar sounds and techniques (like the growl) gained popularity in pop music. Or Tommy Shaw (whose singing voice is actually good... unlike Kansas' vocalists who are all boring and uninspired). Or Dennis DeYoung, who has probably one of the most recognized and amazing voices in all of rock, and whose keyboard work is actually quite amazing if you actually sit down and listen to it (not to mention he was an early innovator on the Moog Synth). Or we could go to their more obscure stuff, like Serpent is Rising, where they had some extremely awesome hard stuff. The titular track of that album features hard as rock guitar, is progressive, and also vocals that would make Greg Lake's electronically distorted voice on "21st Century Schizoid Man" look kinda like a joke. Unlike Lake, the rasp and growl was J. C.'s real voice on display for Styx.
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Posted: February 13 2020 at 01:11 |
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Fischman wrote:
Kansas is infinitely superior in every way by any possible measure. |
Except in making me care enough to buy a single song.
Personally, I don't give two rips about that knock-off, low budget, pseudo-prog band dubbed "Kansas."
At least Styx is actually enjoyable and has significant replay value. I don't listen to Kansas except when I forget my phone at home and it pops up on the radio. And even then, I usually flick to other stations to see if there is something good playing before I suffer through another replay of sub-par musicianship from Leftoverture. Kansas was where virtuoso music went to cry itself to sleep to the sound of "Carry on Wayward Son" and its IQ diminishing, mind numbing repetitive off-key vocals.
At least when Styx put out trite they had the decency to kill the band (cough Kilroy). Meanwhile, Kansas hasn't had a decent song since their first album. Love em or hate em, Styx's albums were consistent and at least entertaining. Kansas is the musical definition of brain drain.
Plus, Styx's early stuff was legit prog and was actually pretty cool. Their first track, "Movement for the Common Man", actually did Copeland's Fanfare in rock form before any other rock band. And then there is the criminally underrated Crystal Ball which is a full blown prog-pop album with some of their strongest and best material ("Ballerina" is friggin great, "Put me On" is full blown prog, "Crystal Ball" is excellent folk-rock/prog, and the whole album has one amazing and consistent sound and tone which is lacking even on the best produced prog albums all too often).
Not to mention we can talk endlessly about the Hendrix inspired Young's guitar work and the fact that he is basically the reason many awesome guitar sounds and techniques (like the growl) gained popularity in pop music. Or Tommy Shaw (whose singing voice is actually good... unlike Kansas' vocalists who are all boring and uninspired). Or Dennis DeYoung, who has probably one of the most recognized and amazing voices in all of rock, and whose keyboard work is actually quite amazing if you actually sit down and listen to it (not to mention he was an early innovator on the Moog Synth). Or we could go to their more obscure stuff, like Serpent is Rising, where they had some extremely awesome hard stuff. The titular track of that album features hard as rock guitar, is progressive, and also vocals that would make Greg Lake's electronically distorted voice on "21st Century Schizoid Man" look kinda like a joke. Unlike Lake, the rasp and growl was J. C.'s real voice on display for Styx.
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Posted: February 13 2020 at 01:29 |
CHanse97 wrote:
Fischman wrote:
Kansas is infinitely superior in every way by any possible measure. |
Except in making me care enough to buy a single song.
Personally, I don't give two rips about that knock-off, low budget, pseudo-prog band dubbed "Kansas."
At least Styx is actually enjoyable and has significant replay value. I don't listen to Kansas except when I forget my phone at home and it pops up on the radio. And even then, I usually flick to other stations to see if there is something good playing before I suffer through another replay of sub-par musicianship from Leftoverture. Kansas was where virtuoso music went to cry itself to sleep to the sound of "Carry on Wayward Son" and its IQ diminishing, mind numbing repetitive off-key vocals.
At least when Styx put out trite they had the decency to kill the band (cough Kilroy). Meanwhile, Kansas hasn't had a decent song since their first album. Love em or hate em, Styx's albums were consistent and at least entertaining. Kansas is the musical definition of brain drain.
Plus, Styx's early stuff was legit prog and was actually pretty cool. Their first track, "Movement for the Common Man", actually did Copeland's Fanfare in rock form before any other rock band. And then there is the criminally underrated Crystal Ball which is a full blown prog-pop album with some of their strongest and best material ("Ballerina" is friggin great, "Put me On" is full blown prog, "Crystal Ball" is excellent folk-rock/prog, and the whole album has one amazing and consistent sound and tone which is lacking even on the best produced prog albums all too often).
Not to mention we can talk endlessly about the Hendrix inspired Young's guitar work and the fact that he is basically the reason many awesome guitar sounds and techniques (like the growl) gained popularity in pop music. Or Tommy Shaw (whose singing voice is actually good... unlike Kansas' vocalists who are all boring and uninspired). Or Dennis DeYoung, who has probably one of the most recognized and amazing voices in all of rock, and whose keyboard work is actually quite amazing if you actually sit down and listen to it (not to mention he was an early innovator on the Moog Synth). Or we could go to their more obscure stuff, like Serpent is Rising, where they had some extremely awesome hard stuff. The titular track of that album features hard as rock guitar, is progressive, and also vocals that would make Greg Lake's electronically distorted voice on "21st Century Schizoid Man" look kinda like a joke. Unlike Lake, the rasp and growl was J. C.'s real voice on display for Styx.
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Posted: February 13 2020 at 05:26 |
Starcastle is superior to both? Who is yay, and who is nay?
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Posted: February 13 2020 at 05:31 |
^ eh, Kansas is more original but starcastle was def good, especially their second album.
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Posted: February 13 2020 at 05:35 |
Kansas over Starcastle for sure, but I'd take Starcastle over Styx any day.
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Posted: February 13 2020 at 05:37 |
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Make a poll. I like Starcastle,but Kansas more.
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Posted: February 13 2020 at 05:47 |
I knew this thread would drift into AOR. Styx, Journey, Boston, Foreigner, Reo Speedwagon...
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Posted: February 13 2020 at 05:49 |
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I knew this thread would drift into AOR. Styx, Journey, Boston, Foreigner, Reo Speedwagon... |
it's still Styx i like the least in that list
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Posted: February 13 2020 at 05:50 |
Even AOR has it's standards, I suppose.
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Posted: February 13 2020 at 05:51 |
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I knew this thread would drift into AOR. Styx, Journey, Boston, Foreigner, Reo Speedwagon... |
You pretty much listed the bands that made me want to puke when I heard them ... over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over ...
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Posted: February 13 2020 at 05:53 |
As a friend of mine use to say "AOR is plastic, man."
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Posted: February 13 2020 at 06:31 |
Say what you want about those basic bands like foreigner and reo, but two albums I’ll always shamelessly love are Boston’s debut, and bat out of hell
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Posted: February 13 2020 at 06:51 |
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Say what you want about those basic bands like foreigner and reo, but two albums I’ll always shamelessly love are Boston’s debut, and bat out of hell |
I like both Foreigner and Boston. Foreigner because I enjoy Lou Gramm's vocals a lot. I even listened some of his work outside Foreigner.
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