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Poll Question: Which band would you call the fathers of Prog Metal
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 02 2013 at 07:59
I'd agree that you can't point to just one band.

the '80s bands like Iron Maiden/Metallica/Savatage/Queensryche/Fates Warning/etc are a good starting point for the 'Images & Words' school of prog metal, though.

And I'd argue that Iron Maiden are the fathers of the Euro-style of Power Metal....though that is an argument for another forum/website.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 02 2013 at 08:24
^ I'd say Judas Priest also contribute to Power Metal's origins, but as you say - another website can argue that.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 02 2013 at 09:53
Between the two.....Rush had more influence on prog metal. Black Sabbath probably had much more influence on Death or Black Metal than Prog Metal.
 
No mention of BS in the PA definition of Prog Metal.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 02 2013 at 14:31
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

BOC is definitely one of the bands. They lyrically had the SF/horror concepts down, at least.



 

Great hard rock band.....just saw them about a month ago in my local area. Only  2 original members left but they were still pretty good for old men.

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I agree, they still bring it. Glad I saw them when Allen was still in the band.
I saw them around 1974/5 when they opened up for Jeff Beck Group in Chicago.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 02 2013 at 14:59
^^^1974/75? Weren't they a headliner by that time?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 02 2013 at 17:01
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

^^^1974/75? Weren't they a headliner by that time?
 
Perhaps....but they opened for Jeff Beck that night.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 02 2013 at 18:19
Awesome, nonetheless. Was Jeff still playing with Bogert/Appice, or Middleton/Chen/Bailey?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 02 2013 at 23:24
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

^^^1974/75? Weren't they a headliner by that time?
 
Perhaps....but they opened for Jeff Beck that night.

I saw BOC in '78 at a "Day on the Green" at Oakland and they were 3rd on the bill, ahead of AC/DC but behind Journey and Ted Nugent.  AC/DC (with Bon Scott) and BOC completely blew away the headliners!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 02 2013 at 23:54
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:



Between the two.....Rush had more influence on prog metal. Black Sabbath probably had much more influence on Death or Black Metal than Prog Metal.
 
No mention of BS in the PA definition of Prog Metal.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 02 2013 at 23:59
Metal---Sabbath, Judas Priest, The Scorpions and Rainbow
Prog metal--Fates Warning, Queensr˙che and Iron Maiden. For the 90's it's Dream Theater all the way where by they re-tooled and gave a whole new meaning and standard to the prog metal genre in general.

The orgins are really that simple, since the prog metal movement did start in America first. ;)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 03 2013 at 00:03
Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

Metal---Sabbath, Judas Priest, The Scorpions and Rainbow
Prog metal--Fates Warning, Queensr˙che and Iron Maiden. For the 90's it's Dream Theater all the way where by they re-tooled and gave a whole new meaning and standard to the prog metal genre in general.

The origins are really that simple, since the prog metal movement did start in America first. ;)
... Not according to your lists. Iron Maiden were there before Fates Warning and Queensr˙che.

Edited by Dayvenkirq - September 03 2013 at 00:04
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 03 2013 at 00:13
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:



Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

Metal---Sabbath, Judas Priest, The Scorpions and Rainbow
Prog metal--Fates Warning, Queensr˙che and Iron Maiden. For the 90's it's Dream Theater all the way where by they re-tooled and gave a whole new meaning and standard to the prog metal genre in general.

The origins are really that simple, since the prog metal movement did start in America first. ;)
... Not according to your lists. Iron Maiden were there before Fates Warning and Queensr˙che.


Don't pay attention to the Metal list. It's a whole other category and the U.K have their stamp all over that. ;)

Prog Metal is Mainly Fates and Queensr˙che. Maiden (yes from the U.K) started playing a couple of years before both the ryche and Fates (1980) but Maiden's first 2 albums were not very prog at all. The albums with D'anno only had wisps of progressive tendancies. It wasn't till 1985's Somewhere in time where they truly captured more prog-related compositions. ;)   
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 03 2013 at 00:19
^ Oh, no, you are just toying around with the details to make prog metal look like it came from the US.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 03 2013 at 00:31
^ what? I'm not.

I'm serious about prog metal really originating in the States. No B.S
It's where the movement really began. Around 1982/1983 to be exact, but prog/metal really started to get its true character between 1984-1986. Big important albums are 1984's The Warning by Queensr˙che and Awaken the Guardian (1986) from FW. Those 2 albums are huge cement blocks in the prog/metal foundation.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 03 2013 at 01:45
Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

What about Blue Oyster Cult? I think them and Uriah Heep are the precursor of prog-metal, but it can be my ignorance of the genre. 


Blue Oyster Cult are typically known as 'classic Rock.'
Don't fear the Reaper is a good example of this. ;)

Uriah Heep I don't know much about, but I think they are kind of like early Rainbow, so they could have sparked the birth of 'Hard Rock' as Rainbow did. I'll have to look into that more deeply cause Uriah Heep have been around a very long time. ;)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 03 2013 at 02:19
Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:


Uriah Heep I don't know much about, but I think they are kind of like early Rainbow, so they could have sparked the birth of 'Hard Rock' as Rainbow did. I'll have to look into that more deeply cause Uriah Heep have been around a very long time. ;)

Salisbury is interesting from "prog point of view" by my meaning, but "father of Prog metal" is not expression, which I desire to use for Uriah Heep 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 03 2013 at 09:00
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Awesome, nonetheless. Was Jeff still playing with Bogert/Appice, or Middleton/Chen/Bailey?
Beck was with the original Rough and Ready band ...Tench, Middleton, Powell, ....
it must have been around 72 or 73 when I saw them. I distinctly recall Tench on vocals...can't recall who was on bass, drums and keys. 
I lose track of time in the old days.
I did a Google search and was unable to find BOC gigs for that time frame but Beck shows up for Chicago in 72
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Edited by dr wu23 - September 03 2013 at 09:41
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 03 2013 at 12:07
Iced Earth is much more progressive than Iron Maiden and they  aren't here.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 03 2013 at 12:21
Originally posted by VOTOMS VOTOMS wrote:

Iced Earth is much more progressive than Iron Maiden and they  aren't here.
Well, there's a late-comer who's completely missed the point. LOL
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 03 2013 at 12:44
It depends on what you mean by "fathers of".  I wouldn't consider either of those two bands to be Prog Metal, therefore I wouldn't say either one was the "father of" the genre.  Grandfathers, for sure.  But not fathers.
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