stop the "Neo" prog label ?

The closer a band came to make a Supper's Ready copy is Marillion with "Grendel", but i can understand why some people see a resemblance with Harvest Souls, by the great IQ. Neo Prog, to me it's a new symphonic approach of the old 70's music with  more aggressive guitar and drums, to put it simply. 

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: Gerinski wrote: I don't really share his opinion about the term Neo, but I share his opinion that there is no reason for calling Anglagard any more "genuine" Prog than IQ is. Do you notice this is a contradiction? First you say you don't share his opinuion about Neo, but then you  say that a Symphonic band is more genuine Prog than IQ. IQ is Neo Prog, Anglagard is Symphonic....Both are Prog bands. I like Anglagard more, but that's a matter of taste Iván

To comment on Martin Orford's comment, if I may do so at this late date:  It seems to me he is more incensed with the connotations of the lable 'Neo-Prog' than the phrase itself.  As for me, all the bands that I have heard with that label have a consistency of sound and approach which place them in that category.  One of those aspects is that they all remind me of Genesis at one point in time or another.  It is clear to me that bands such as IQ and Marillion (at least Fish era) had built upon the foundation of earlier bands in a unique way.  The same goes for later bands such as Flower Kings and Spock's Beard.  That is a given.  No artist creates from a vacuum.  Even the much heralded early Prog bands such as King Crimson and Yes, etc. display influences.  Part of the problem seems that NeoProg is connected to a specific period of time which other genres are not.  Yet the term merely means 'New Prog' which is certainly fitting.

octopus-4 wrote: Roxbrough wrote: What about stop all labels and just listen to music? Not a bad idea, but with thousands of artists searching just alphabetically is not good. As reviewer, when I try to describe something "new" I often compare what I hear with something well known. Subgenres can help in this sense  even when they are not very appropriated or the artist is controversial. I think Vangelis is on prog related only because he moved from JR/F to Symphonic, to Progressive Electronic, to Krautrock, to Avant, (the B-side of Heaven and Hell may fit in Zeuhl, too) that assigning him to a specific subgenre is impossible. But if you remove ALL the labels this would become www.archives.com and couldn't be distinguished from metal archives and jazzmusic-archives, too.

lazland wrote: Roxbrough wrote: What about stop all labels and just listen to music? See the debate on Improve The Site (Revolutionise the Site). That is precisely what I am arguing, but, aside from a couple of hardy souls, I am very much alone.

If we all own up, Progressive is not the right tag for what we listen to now anyway. It is meant to indicate 'progress' and taste wise we all really hanker for a certain 'formula'. Punk was more progressive than progressive music when it arrived, but I doubt  many of us on here prefered it.

I never thought about neo prog bands as "less-genuine" bands. To me it's just a label that describes their sound, not their quality..

Roxbrough wrote: If we all own up, Progressive is not the right tag for what we listen to now anyway. It is meant to indicate 'progress' and taste wise we all really hanker for a certain 'formula'. Punk was more progressive than progressive music when it arrived, but I doubt  many of us on here prefered it. We would all be better of finding a new tag if we simply MUST have one. I propose we all think of what we like as 'Intricate music'.     Get ready, ha ha ha

Punk was a change, but technically it was regressive rock, not progressive.

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Dean wrote: Roxbrough wrote: octopus-4 wrote: Roxbrough wrote: What about stop all labels and just listen to music? Not a bad idea, but with thousands of artists searching just alphabetically is not good. As reviewer, when I try to describe something "new" I often compare what I hear with something well known. Subgenres can help in this sense  even when they are not very appropriated or the artist is controversial. I think Vangelis is on prog related only because he moved from JR/F to Symphonic, to Progressive Electronic, to Krautrock, to Avant, (the B-side of Heaven and Hell may fit in Zeuhl, too) that assigning him to a specific subgenre is impossible. But if you remove ALL the labels this would become www.archives.com and couldn't be distinguished from metal archives and jazzmusic-archives, too.    I would prefer that, being as I know my alphabet. I don't need anyone else to tell me what, "in their opinion", music I like fits into what pidgeon hole, The idea of pigeonholing is to enable people who have never heard a band (say Harmonium for example) to discover their music by association with other bands that they have heard of and do like. Knowledge of the alphabet does not give you that. We provide both methods of locating bands - you can take your choice of which you prefer to use and certainly serendipity is a wonderful method of finding that surprise discovery. But with 7,605 artists to pick from chance discovery is a needle in a haystack approach.

This is another great point Dean.  With our database people can search for bands either way they prefer, we offer the option.

If you want to use our genres to narrow your search, you have that choice.  Our definitions may not be the only way to sort bands but they are one way.   If you want to disregard them and cast out the labels, then ignore them and use the random or alphabetical or some other method to examine bands.  No one is forcing you to like sub genres in order to use the database.

But there is no reason to kill a system that many of us enjoy and find very valuable,  just because you don't.  Just use the site in the manner you wish. 

Some of the other issues raised in the revolution thread are as Dean pointed out yesterday,  grossly overstated.  I feel we were making real progress on new bands monitoring, team cooperation, team building, and morale.  Chris, Yam, Andy, and others, have been increasing efficiency of process.  It felt pretty good of late, so I thought.




Edited by Finnforest - January 19 2013 at 08:33