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Posted: May 30 2012 at 18:52
The_Jester wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
I particularly dislike Peter Gabriel's singing. There, just the favourite singer from this forum, and one among my very least favourites in prog.
That's interesting but why don't you like his voice? And who's your favorite singer?
First, technically as a singer I find him profoundly lacking. I don't really hear all the emotion some people praise him for, on the contrary, when he is supposed to reach more emotional peaks, his voice goes down and it reaches some sort of anticlimax for me. All the weird things he does with his voice sometimes I just find annoying (perfect example, "Back in NY City"). Now, after all this time listening to Genesis, I must say I have gotten used to his singing and it doesn't annoy me so much anymore, and I have been able to "get" some of his emotional peaks... up to a point... however I find him far from being the best prog vocalist around. Now, singers that I do love, and believe them to be more technically and/or emotionally talented (and many will disagree with me, of course), Jon Anderson, Annie Haslam, Francesco DiGiancomo, Jimmy Spitaleri, Freddy Mercury, and well, some others, of course. Also, I don't really know Peter Hamill so well, but for what I've heard, I think he is a very good vocalist indeed, and I understand he likes to do the theatrical thing Peter Gabriel does, but I find him a much more accomplished singer.
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Posted: May 31 2012 at 00:11
Ambient Hurricanes wrote:
cstack3 wrote:
Alex Lifeson can't hold a candle to prog guitarists like Patrucci.
Alex Lifeson is way better than Petrucci. And I like Petrucci.
I dunno, I can play this solo note-for-note. He sounds a bit like Peter Banks at the beginning. Petrucci's solos leave me weeping, with bleeding fingers!
Petrucci's technique is basically flawless. Not that his compositional skills equal his playing....I once described Dream Theater's music to a prog critic friend of mine as "pretty solos, all in a row." Fairly mindless stuff. If I want emotion and speed, I look to McLaughlin, Goodsall, even Shawn Lane.
I still don't see the fascination for Rush, beyond the arena rock stuff they are known for. Generally, I dislike them.
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Posted: May 31 2012 at 03:39
Dislike:
- Peter Gabriel and Gabriel era Genesis
- Magma
- 70s sounding production
- Fantasy lyrics
- The Flower Kings
- Mellotron
Like:
- Modern production
- Cds over Vinyls
- Ambient music
- Post Rock more than Prog Rock
- Nick Barrett's voice
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Zombywoof wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Anthony H. wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Anthony H. wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
6.- Opeth (If only Akkerfeld sung and not made those annoying sounds)
What's the problem, Can't I dislike that growls?
Iván
Of course you can dislike them. But by characterizing them "annoying sounds", it sounds like you're trying to de-legitimize that vocal style. It's something I see a lot, and it drives me insane.
Voice is a sound
Growls are annoying
So there's no offense in the statement
But you are right I don't consider growling like an animal a legitimate singing style, just as I don't consider most Rap as legitimate music, so live with it but don't attack people for their opinions.
Iván
I know how you feel. I'm currently being attacked on a youtube video for sharing similiar opinions. Aren't so called prog fans supposed to being accepting of others' points of view?
Some Progheads are only tolerant when you agree with them.
Just in case:
growl (ɡraʊl)
Definitions
verb
(of animals, esp when hostile) to utter (sounds) in a low inarticulate manner ⇒ the dog growled at us
to utter (words) in a gruff or angry manner ⇒ he growled an apology
(intr)to make sounds suggestive of an animal growling ⇒ the thunder growled around the lake
Growling is making a sound and I find it annoying
Iván
I wish to join this polite little scrap
Growling is the emphasis of the percussive timbre of the voice. It's not to everyone's tastes, but it's so abrasive to so many people because we're used to hearing pitch as the main focus of a vocalist.
If drums had had a pitch emphasis rather than a rhythm emphasis for the last 100 odd years of music, the introduction of a percussive drum into music would have caused a complete uproar with people saying the sound was 'horrible' and 'noisy'.
Go back to the Baroque era where any dissonance more than a diminished 7th was considered unbearable to the ear, you can see that people's acceptance to new musical ideas change with the amount of time that idea has been around for.
Give it another 50 years and we won't have anyone moaning about growls anymore, but I'm sure there'll be something new for us now young ones to maon about. I'm thinking the development of the robot 'autotune' voice. .
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Posted: May 31 2012 at 04:35
JS19 wrote:
Dislike:
- Peter Gabriel and Gabriel era Genesis
- Magma
- 70s sounding production
- Fantasy lyrics
- The Flower Kings
- Mellotron
Like:
- Modern production
- Cds over Vinyls
- Ambient music
- Post Rock more than Prog Rock
- Nick Barrett's voice
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Zombywoof wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Anthony H. wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Anthony H. wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
6.- Opeth (If only Akkerfeld sung and not made those annoying sounds)
What's the problem, Can't I dislike that growls?
Iván
Of course you can dislike them. But by characterizing them "annoying sounds", it sounds like you're trying to de-legitimize that vocal style. It's something I see a lot, and it drives me insane.
Voice is a sound
Growls are annoying
So there's no offense in the statement
But you are right I don't consider growling like an animal a legitimate singing style, just as I don't consider most Rap as legitimate music, so live with it but don't attack people for their opinions.
Iván
I know how you feel. I'm currently being attacked on a youtube video for sharing similiar opinions. Aren't so called prog fans supposed to being accepting of others' points of view?
Some Progheads are only tolerant when you agree with them.
Just in case:
growl (ɡraʊl)
Definitions
verb
(of animals, esp when hostile) to utter (sounds) in a low inarticulate manner ⇒ the dog growled at us
to utter (words) in a gruff or angry manner ⇒ he growled an apology
(intr)to make sounds suggestive of an animal growling ⇒ the thunder growled around the lake
Growling is making a sound and I find it annoying
Iván
I wish to join this polite little scrap
Growling is the emphasis of the percussive timbre of the voice. It's not to everyone's tastes, but it's so abrasive to so many people because we're used to hearing pitch as the main focus of a vocalist.
If drums had had a pitch emphasis rather than a rhythm emphasis for the last 100 odd years of music, the introduction of a percussive drum into music would have caused a complete uproar with people saying the sound was 'horrible' and 'noisy'.
Go back to the Baroque era where any dissonance more than a diminished 7th was considered unbearable to the ear, you can see that people's acceptance to new musical ideas change with the amount of time that idea has been around for.
Give it another 50 years and we won't have anyone moaning about growls anymore, but I'm sure there'll be something new for us now young ones to maon about. I'm thinking the development of the robot 'autotune' voice. .
I'll join in too. Point 2...
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
2. Growls are annoying
Is not a statement of fact and cannot be produced as evidence.
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Posted: May 31 2012 at 05:54
Like everything in music, some hate drum machines and some like it, the same goes for growling. I personally sometime enjoy them, sometime don't care and sometime don't like them at all, it depends on the music and the growler. Those vocals represents power and rage, and are trying to pass that emotion to you.
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Posted: May 31 2012 at 11:16
Stevo wrote:
3. Zappas antics (just shut up and ...well you know)
Ironically, he preferred to just play instrumental music, it was including vocals that brought in the $$$. I'd love to hear his opinions on internet users.
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Posted: May 31 2012 at 11:16
Snow Dog wrote:
JS19 wrote:
Dislike:
I wish to join this polite little scrap
Growling is the emphasis of the percussive timbre of the voice. It's not to everyone's tastes, but it's so abrasive to so many people because we're used to hearing pitch as the main focus of a vocalist.
If drums had had a pitch emphasis rather than a rhythm emphasis for the last 100 odd years of music, the introduction of a percussive drum into music would have caused a complete uproar with people saying the sound was 'horrible' and 'noisy'.
Go back to the Baroque era where any dissonance more than a diminished 7th was considered unbearable to the ear, you can see that people's acceptance to new musical ideas change with the amount of time that idea has been around for.
Give it another 50 years and we won't have anyone moaning about growls anymore, but I'm sure there'll be something new for us now young ones to maon about. I'm thinking the development of the robot 'autotune' voice. .
I'll join in too. Point 2.
I don't know why it doesn't surprise when you don't agree with me Snow Dog But we are not here to agree only.
NowJS19: You are just guessing, maybe in 50 years growls will be considered a nasty fashion as using white suit whith black shirts and dancing like Travolta or as many other nasty fashions, but we wouold be guessing...So lets retake the issue about this in 50 years
Until now, I repeat my statement, growling is a sound and I find it annoying, even more annoying than Join Anderson's voice or Hendrix music..
..
Snow Dog wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
2. Growls are annoying
Is not a statement of fact and cannot be produced as evidence.
I thought t this was a thread to express what you dislike (Really the starter said hate, but that's a strong term that I don't like to use). So my expression that I find growls annoying never intended to be a universal truth, just my personal opinion about that SOUND.
I guess you don't want is posting IMHO after everything we say?
Every statement we make is simply our opinion, at least in my case because I don't believe my opinions must be universally accepted.
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Posted: May 31 2012 at 11:30
^ I accept you find growls are annoying but your two point "statement" was presented as fact. I really don't care either way.
btw. I don't expect to get the last word on this so I probably won't reply if you do. depends what you say I suppose. If you say I'm a c**t I may have to retort.
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Posted: May 31 2012 at 11:41
Snow Dog wrote:
^ I accept you find growls are annoying but your two point "statement" was presented as fact. I really don't care either way.
btw. I don't expect to get the last word on this so I probably won't reply if you do. depends what you say I suppose. If you say I'm a c**t I may have to retort.
Just for the record, I also said on a previous post:after a dictionary quote
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Growling is making a sound and I find it annoying
Iván
And no, I won't call you names, that's not my style.
Iván
BTW: To avoid suceptibilities, unless I say it's a fact and present evidence , each of my posts will be considered as my opinion
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Posted: May 31 2012 at 11:45
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
^ I accept you find growls are annoying but your two point "statement" was presented as fact. I really don't care either way.
btw. I don't expect to get the last word on this so I probably won't reply if you do. depends what you say I suppose. If you say I'm a c**t I may have to retort.
Just for the record, I also said on a previous post:after a dictionary quote
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Growling is making a sound and I find it annoying
Iván
And no, I won't call you names, that's not my style.
Iván
BTW: To avoid suceptibilities, unless I say it's a fact and present evidence , each of my posts will be considered as my opinion
If you present it as fact that is how I will read it. You presented two points as fact in your case. I read what you wrote later so no need to repeat it. I read all your post. Every scrap.
Doesn't change you making an argument based on stated facts.
It's a minor point anyway and I only bring it up for amusement.
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Posted: June 02 2012 at 21:41
moshkito wrote:
Hi,
Dislike:
- All the bitches that have nothing nice to say about anyone!
- All the critics that always hate music, or something about the music!
- All the reasons that make this symphonic and that spaghetti!
- All the pretentions that show up on this board disguised as a serious music listener, when they only review their favorites!
Likes:
- All the music ... regardless ... style not important ... you either love it all, or you don't like music!
Really simple ... really simple.
With the same spirit, can we say that if you don't like humanity in general because you dislike critics, bitches, etc. saying that you like people or you don't. If you say ''I don't like pizza'' can we say you don't like food.
There's a lot of music I strongly dislike just like Chris Brown or Justin Bieber or Lady Gaga and I still am a complete music fan wich listens to music several hours a day. Your statement is truly incoherent to me.
La victoire est éphémère mais la gloire est éternelle!
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Posted: June 02 2012 at 22:01
I like all music to some extent. I just like some music more, or much more, or much, much more, or much, much, much more, or much, much, much, much more, or much, much, much, much, much more than other music. In sum, I just like some music more than others.
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Posted: June 02 2012 at 22:43
moshkito wrote:
Hi,
Dislike:
...
- All the pretentions that show up on this board disguised as a serious music listener, when they only review their favorites!
People have different reasons to review only their favorites and "favorites". Some choose not to review stuff they don't understand because ... well, they are waiting for their ears to mature (like cheese or wine), i.e. to take delight in the music before they will actually feel ready to write a review for it.
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Posted: June 02 2012 at 23:53
Dayvenkirq wrote:
moshkito wrote:
Hi,
Dislike:
...
- All the pretentions that show up on this board disguised as a serious music listener, when they only review their favorites!
People have different reasons to review only their favorites and "favorites". Some choose not to review stuff they don't understand because ... well, they are waiting for their ears to mature (like cheese or wine), i.e. to take delight in the music before they will actually feel ready to write a review for it.
It's also a fact that people review the albums they are familiar with before anything, so they will normally review the albums they love, because this ones are easy to remember.
Others simply don't like to review albums they don't like, that's a valid choice.
Some get bored after reviewing this albums or loose the interest in the site so most likely we will see more positive reviews.
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Posted: June 03 2012 at 13:11
I qualify as someone who mainly reviews only what they really love. I do that basically because that is where my strongest feelings and convictions in music are.
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