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As meticulous as I am, my faves from PA's top 99 Prog albums of 1969 (mk III) are:

01. King Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson King
02. Frank Zappa - Hot Rats
12. Pentangle - Basket of Light
17. Renaissance - Renaissance
31. Group 1850 - Paradise Now
32. Arcadium - Breathe Awhile
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PA's Top 99 Progressive Rock Albums of 1969 (Mk III version with the minimum number of ratings filter set at 20 and with all new entries between Nos. #79 & #99). Thumbs Up


01. 5 stars 1969: King Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson King - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uw85aNJabkE
02. 3 stars 1969: Frank Zappa - Hot Rats - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdU4FHH4FnE
03. 4 stars 1969: Miles Davis - In a Silent Way - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHesqaMhh34
04. 4 stars 1969: Colosseum - Valentyne Suite - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOAGUg6EVec
05. 5 stars 1969: Jethro Tull - Stand Up - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP3V4ZRpSdM
06. 4 stars 1969: Santana - Santana - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUazy5wSpaU
07. 5 stars 1969: The Moody Blues - To Our Children's Children's Children - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j0y71bx2K8
08. 2 stars 1969: Frank Zappa & the Mothers of Invention - Uncle Meat - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK8D60ORnvE
09. 3 stars 1969: Soft Machine - Volume Two - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSkAtjqHPD0
10. 3 stars 1969: Amon Duul II - Phallus Dei - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WhTqv5Obho
11. 4 stars 1969: Chicago - Chicago Transit Authority - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFjkn4w_Ras
12. 4 stars 1969: Pentangle - Basket of Light - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2cBT8--7tA
13. 5 stars 1969: East of Eden - Mercator Projected - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IAV-pw27qc
14. 3 stars 1969: Can - Monster Movie - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeiycXs5NMs
15. 4 stars 1969: High Tide - Sea Shanties - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHIQkfp0s68
16. 5 stars 1969: The Moody Blues - On the Threshold of a Dream - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gsqrqsNsf8
17. 4 stars 1969: Renaissance - Renaissance - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5bzS0rC_F4
18. 2 stars 1969: Captain Beefheart - Trout Mask Replica - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aF0g-2SeoMM
20. 4 stars 1969: Steamhammer - Mk II - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnIE7DQIuj8
21. 2 stars 1969: John McLaughlin - Extrapolation - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdIijy0-lzg
22. 2 stars 1969: White Noise - An Electric Storm - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb6Z_yJDLXk
23. 4 stars 1969: Julie Driscoll, Brian Auger & the Trinity - Streetnoise - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLP0IenmeCOtxXVXOgAC9ch_RH5KXlVfn4
24. 5 stars 1969: Rare Bird - Rare Bird - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6OKtcaec94
25. 4 stars 1969: Blood, Sweat & Tears - Blood, Sweat & Tears - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLtJK_InIjqtTfX0wM_CJoASrVU-2DUJ8W
26. 2 stars 1969: Holger Czukay & Rolf Dammers - Canaxis 5 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwRhHZq0IBA
27. 4 stars 1969: Mighty Baby - Mighty Baby - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIeXcXN81Rc
28. 3 stars 1969: Tim Buckley - Happy Sad - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucXX9vTxTXY
29. 5 stars 1969: Circus - Circus - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILBe5gbJDEE
30. 5 stars 1969: Arzachel - Arzachel - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW7IU4C3hok
31. 5 stars 1969: Group 1850 - Paradise Now - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDce_dSm4sk
32. 4 stars 1969: Arcadium - Breathe Awhile - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFtWctjASs8
33. 4 stars 1969: Clark Hutchinson - A=mh2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuLAkGWsfWk
34. 3 stars 1969: Kevin Ayers - Joy of a Toy - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4uERU6vvoA
35. 4 stars 1969: Colosseum - Those Who Are About to Die Salute You - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL59FAF8A1B59C04DD
36. 4 stars 1969: Manfred Mann Chapter Three - Volume 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LygISw0LY5o
37. 4 stars 1969: Valhalla - Valhalla - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYNKRtL1IwY
38. 5 stars 1969: Writing on the Wall - The Power of the Picts - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTOvj3WHark
39. 4 stars 1969: Tasavallan Presidentti - Tasavallan Presidentti - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WplRp0UALvo
40. 5 stars 1969: Music Emporium - Music Emporium - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFfwOG89syc
41. 3 stars 1969: Tea & Symphony - An Asylum for the Musically Insane - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J55InKdHS1o
42. 4 stars 1969: Procol Harum - A Salty Dog - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKhwPnDql4A
43. 4 stars 1969: Family - Family Entertainment - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL17BC19C0125975EB
44. 3 stars 1969: Tony Williams Lifetime - Emergency! - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kWIY8RMj106NNJFKxeTGuN5vyRu1xk-vc
48. 5 stars 1969: Jody Grind - One Step On - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jij3QGYVVes
49. 3 stars 1969: Omega - 10,000 Lepes - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjixdEUqGdU
50. 2 stars 1969: Catherine Ribeiro & 2Bis - Catherine Ribeiro & 2Bis - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nxdkHs7yFF7QYyiUBz_zWW2RkBnQ8E4Oo
51. 3 stars 1969: Herbie Hancock - Fat Albert Rotunda - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2IBiD44xEs
52. 4 stars 1969: Lighthouse - Lighthouse - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btphHdIu2Ew
53. 3 stars 1969: Skaldowie - Cala Jestes w Skowroncach - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nffC_Vegil5IV2c7sNI_IFcpdr3fh-9KQ
54. 4 stars 1969: Larry Coryell - Coryell - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-DyLNpocBk
56. 4 stars 1969: Audience - Audience - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKzk8CCbE68
57. 4 stars 1969: Galliard - Strange Pleasure - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzFx5tNmtLY
58. 3 stars 1969: Herbie Hancock - The Prisoner - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIo5PSSo1ac
62. 4 stars 1969: Xhol Caravan - Electrip - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPwtFasX4Yk
63. 4 stars 1969: Krokodil - Krokodil - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hye-BGVeyLs
65. 4 stars 1969: Blonde on Blonde - Contrasts - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYzsB4fOtl4
68. 4 stars 1969: Man - 2ozs. of Plastic with a Hole in the Middle - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viV-3zwdseE
69. 4 stars 1969: The Flock - The Flock - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38DiEaY1F2k
73. 4 stars 1969: Black Cat Bones - Barbed Wire Sandwich - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw-7ntRMQtQ
74. 3 stars 1969: Stormy Six - Le Idee di Ogga per la Musica di Domani - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRYw5-NOKZY
75. 3 stars 1969: Gong - Magick Brother - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y_rx2PZSn8
76. 4 stars 1969: Steamhammer - Reflection - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B100h5wgGR0
78. 4 stars 1969: Jeff Beck Group - Beck-Ola - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvt2xJB4uMc
79. 3 stars 1969: Harvester - Hermat - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9lMKGpCjl8
81. 3 stars 1969: Forest - Forest - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGW2GdH4fPs
82. 3 stars 1969: Czeslaw Niemen & Akwarele - Czy Mnie Jeszcze Pamietasz - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nlUpdiJyuYCB5ZlFKBcgTcpsDNv979FBc
85. 3 stars 1969: Fabio Celi e Gli Infermieri - Follia - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azugZXYntiQ
86. 4 stars 1969: Man - Revelation - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o6dEzsXl50
87. 3 stars 1969: Organisation - Tone Float - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-wNx-6mMkU
89. 4 stars 1969: Argent - Argent - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFFYZMDHRKk
90. 2 stars 1969: Amon Duul - Collapsing - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maR-PFMY3kk
91. 4 stars 1969: Van der Graaf Generator - The Aerosol Grey Machine - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNqt1J_f5a0
93. 3 stars 1969: Quelli - Quelli (pre-PFM) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ebfR36GyP8
94. 4 stars 1969: Aphrodite's Child - It's Five o'Clock - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nIh8jB8kGTceoQimW9v-vCznvY2K_QBR0
96. 3 stars 1969: Le Orme - Ad Gloriam - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H41IAJNUVMQ
97. 4 stars 1969: Pink Floyd - More (soundtrack) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI8T_Rwi1hE
98. 2 stars 1969: Amon Duul - Psychedelic Underground - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RW6HQ5M1PTI
99. 4 stars 1969: Genesis - From Genesis to Revelation - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7JQAWLCnX4


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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

^ We were talking about setting a "minimum number of ratings", which is manipulating settings to get different results. The question of what is "better" depends on norms and/or objectives, not on algorithms. 

The algorithms set the minimum number of ratings on 10, is that less manipulating? Big smile


Of course not, the manipulation has just been automated... Algorithms are mainly that: automated manipulations of data. That's why there's so much fuzz about them; they're not created without specific (ideological, commercial, informational, ...) objectives.

(That said, I think the minimum ratings is set at 0 from the start, but you have to set it at least to 1 otherwise the number of results will be limited - now, that seems to be a bug in the algorithm)


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Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

The PA charts has some f**ked up algorhitms that comes up with this kind of logic, so yeah there's something wrong. 
Yes, indeed, I've seen that many times.....How many more times?

f**ked up algorhitms 
Klaatu mannerisms 
barada nikto
Cluster  f**ck communism's window
Subrosa unrehearsed multipolar prism. 
Magic mushroom alcoholic logic innuendo .
Ping-pong, King Kong...Fay Ray swo0ns
....so yeah there's something wrong. 



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another sick thing
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We're all insane gang. 
Don't jump to your foreskin conclusion 
now that you've lost a skin or two.
 

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Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

^ We were talking about setting a "minimum number of ratings", which is manipulating settings to get different results. The question of what is "better" depends on norms and/or objectives, not on algorithms. 

The algorithms set the minimum number of ratings on 10, is that less manipulating? Big smile
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Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

^ I find it as awkward as you, but you can not blame an algorithm: it indeed just does what it was supposed to do. It is those who conceived it who are to blame if it doesn't give the results you (we) would like to see.
Write to God (aka M@X) if you want to see things change...
Fair enough I wouldn't blame the calculator, a sewing machine or a robot either, but the creators. I blame the creators of this algorithm.


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^ I find it as awkward as you, but you can not blame an algorithm: it indeed just does what it was supposed to do. It is those who conceived it who are to blame if it doesn't give the results you (we) would like to see.
Write to God (aka M@X) if you want to see things change...

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^We have a system which places the 229th fastest runner at the 11th place, but that doesn't mean it is not functioning: it does what it was supposed to do, whether we like it or not
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^ We were talking about setting a "minimum number of ratings", which is manipulating settings to get different results. The question of what is "better" depends on norms and/or objectives, not on algorithms. 

Now, that the PA algorithm is very questionable seems to be an understatement, but that doesn't mean it is not functioning: it does what it was supposed to do, whether we like it or not.



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Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Nothing manipulating in setting the minimum number of ratings to a certain number...


Ermm

Is it better to compare the average ratings of an album rated by say 1500 people with one rated by 5 people?

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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

The PA charts has some f**ked up algorhitms that comes up with this kind of logic, so yeah there's something wrong. 

Yes, indeed, I've seen that many times.....How many more times?

f**ked up algorhitms 
Klaatu mannerisms 
barada nikto
Cluster  f**ck communism's window
Subrosa unrehearsed multipolar prism. 
Magic mushroom alcoholic logic innuendo .
Ping-pong, King Kong...Fay Ray swo0ns
....so yeah there's something wrong. 









 

SNAFU ALGORYTHM virtue signal
 the mild mannerisms of Kung-fu...
Magic logic hopping mad kangaroo
On the bony shoulders of a young horse
Sucked down the brain drain
another sick thing
Of course, it's the same thing
We're all insane gang. 
Don't jump to your foreskin conclusion 
now that you've lost a skin or two.


 


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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

The PA charts has some f**ked up algorhitms that comes up with this kind of logic, so yeah there's something wrong. 

Yes, indeed, I've seen that many times.

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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Nothing manipulating in setting the minimum number of ratings to a certain number...


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Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

...or: The Art of Manipulating Statistics, so that they correspond better to desired results than to reality.
You should go into politics...
There's clearly something wrong with the statistics when one of the best-known prog albums of 1970 doesn't even feature in PA's Top 250 Albums list. Confused

Anyway, at least I now know how to manipulate the statistics to my liking. Wink

Nothing manipulating in setting the minimum number of ratings to a certain number, the question is only which number is appropriate/fair.

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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

^ I think, minimum 100 ratings would be appropriate.
That sounds fine in theory, but in practice it only gives me a Top 65 albums list - not a full Top 100, although it does have the consolation of YES - Time and a Word at #61. Smile

The lower you set the minimum number of ratings, the lower will Time and a Word be ranked, but your choice. Big smile

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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

...or: The Art of Manipulating Statistics, so that they correspond better to desired results than to reality.
You should go into politics...
There's clearly something wrong with the statistics when one of the best-known prog albums of 1970 doesn't even feature in PA's Top 250 Albums list. Confused

Anyway, at least I now know how to manipulate the statistics to my liking. Wink
The PA charts has some f**ked up algorhitms that comes up with this kind of logic, so yeah there's something wrong. 1968:

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those charts improve when you choose a number of ratings, less abnormalities as the one above. 
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

...or: The Art of Manipulating Statistics, so that they correspond better to desired results than to reality.
You should go into politics...
There's clearly something wrong with the statistics when one of the best-known prog albums of 1970 doesn't even feature in PA's Top 250 Albums list. Confused

Anyway, at least I now know how to manipulate the statistics to my liking. Wink
The PA charts has some f**ked up algorhitms that comes up with this kind of logic, so yeah there's something wrong. 1968:

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Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

...or: The Art of Manipulating Statistics, so that they correspond better to desired results than to reality.
You should go into politics...
There's clearly something wrong with the statistics when one of the best-known prog albums of 1970 doesn't even feature in PA's Top 250 Albums list. Confused

Anyway, at least I now know how to manipulate the statistics to my liking. Wink
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...or: The Art of Manipulating Statistics, so that they correspond better to desired results than to reality.
You should go into politics...

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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:


^ I think, minimum 100 ratings would be appropriate.
That sounds fine in theory, but in practice it only gives me a Top 65 albums list - not a full Top 100, although it does have the consolation of YES - Time and a Word at #61. Smile

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