Most Overrated Band of the 'Big Six'

dr prog wrote: Horizons wrote: GKR wrote: How Jethro Tull can be an overrated band if they are the least rated (in numbers and grades) of the above groups, and only two albums are in the PA Top 100 list? I mean, ok you dont like it, but I guess that there is a faire number of like/dislikes on JT - enough for them to not be overrated. I think that is the point. You always hear about them but in reality they aren't that special, that's why people rate them lower.   Tull wipes the floor with all those bands. Their outtakes and singles are quite often their best tracks and there's over 100 of them. Crazy amount of songs. They aren't an album band to me, they're a song band. Some albums were styled in a certain way and some songs were a bit commercial for me but they averaged 15 songs per year during the 70s. Every album had some gems plus another few gems were kept off every one of those albums. Now playing Commercial traveller from 1976. Love it. Fine prog track. It's probably their best song from that year

rushfan4 wrote: Skalla-Grim wrote: bj_waters wrote: However, I am curious about the idea of "The Big 6."  Is this a consensus of prog fans in general?  Are there no others that qualify?  Is six too many? I also read about a Big 4 (which would be Genesis, Yes, King Crimson, and ELP) which i.m.o. makes more sense than the "Big Six" this thread is based on. My personal choice would actually be a "Big Seven", consisting of Genesis, Gentle Giant, Yes, ELP, King Crimson, Jethro Tull and Van der Graaf Generator. When I first arrived here, it was references to the big seven, including Rush.  Europeans don't like Rush though or don't consider them part of the Big group because they were a few years later to the party.  I've also seen it as a Big 10, including VDGG, Camel, and Gentle Giant.

'Over-rated' usually means contemporaneously so any band over-rated would no longer command affection or critical re-assessment.  In fact, all these bands are highly rated and esteemed by the prog community.  It is the bands that pastiche them that are often over-rated - take Opeth's famous change of direction as a case in point.

Were Floyd a stadium band in the 70s? I know Tull, zeps and purple were rated the biggest band going around during different stages of the early-mid 70s

Edited by dr prog - November 24 2015 at 01:08

None of them!!! They are all amazing and the reason Prog is even a thing.

GKR wrote: Horizons wrote: I think that is the point. You always hear about them but in reality they aren't that special, that's why people rate them lower. but in reality they aren't that special but in reality they aren't that special but in reality they aren't that special I oficially hate you.

well.. I see your hate and give Austin a kiss for astuteness. 

Damn right they are overrated.  It shouldn't be the 'big 6'

It should be big 5.. oh wait.  Next to Tull.. who is next overrated. Floyd. Toss theie asses out. great band. Greatest PROG band. Hell no... they were so much more than just a prog band. That is like calling the Beatles a great prog band.

So it should be the big 4 right.  Oh wait.. there is the most subtly overrated of all prog bands.

Genesis.. get them the f**k out of there.  If you discount the albums they sold to family members they had as much impact on the glory days of prog as Neal Diamond hahah.  Classic overrated. People love them today.. and bunch of whimpy talent challenged english bands decided to ape their light sound so that is enough to bump them to greatest. Horsesh*t

so we end up where we always should have been.

The big 3 of prog.  Had it all.. import influence and association with prog that every N.K.O.T.B fans would recognize.

K.C., ELP, Yes. 

those 3 are head and shoulders about the others. There is no 'big 6' only the big 3 then other flavors of the month that have some elements that makes bands truly great, but not ALL the elements like those 3.

hah...


Edited by micky - November 24 2015 at 18:24

pfff.. Selling England the Pound.  Come on man do better than that... I love that album.  I'd give it 4 stars EASY.

Genesis ddidn't have any 1 star albums... but a helluva of a lot of 2 and 3 star. They simply never did a complete album. Look at Nursury Cryme.  Some good stuff and some stuff that is completely forgetable. That is 70's Genesis for you. Only on SEbtP did some of the stuff approach true greatness enough to override the complete bilge of More Fool me and Epping Forest.

And yeah.. I love Benefit.. and hell..  you know another album I love as much. The Streisand and Kris Kristofferson album from the 70's.  Love it or not, sure as hell doesn't make it prog.. and damn sure doesn't make them worthy of being on a greatest prog band short list

one denies what ELP was and their impact on prog only at the cost of their knowlege or credibility.

Yeah they ain't popular today.. only black mark one could put upon them. More than offset by the fairly well understood notion that NO band in the day had more impact on prog, or did as much to spread its popularity.

For those that voted most overrated. you suck and know sh*t about prog.

micky wrote: pfff.. Selling England the Pound.  Come on man do better than that... I love that album.  I'd give it 4 stars EASY. Genesis ddidn't have any 1 star albums... but a helluva of a lot of 2 and 3 star. They simply never did a complete album. Look at Nursury Cryme.  Some good stuff and some stuff that is completely forgetable. That is 70's Genesis for you. Only on SEbtP did some of the stuff approach true greatness enough to override the complete bilge of More Fool me and Epping Forest. And yeah.. I love Benefit.. and hell..  you know another album I love as much. The Streisand and Kris Kristofferson album from the 70's.  Love it or not, sure as hell doesn't make it prog.. and damn sure doesn't make them worthy of being on a greatest prog band short list

The biggest bands are the biggest bands no matter what you do. I guess I like just one or two Frank Zappa album, but even then I have to consider him a great artist, influent, essential, etc.

Although cheer for the guys we most like is funny and all, we cant ignore facts: all the 6 bands above ARE ESSENTIAL. Period. No overrated nor underrated.

Dean?  Well it wouldn't the first or last time I suppose

bah.... 

I'll take all of you on if it came to it. I am president of ELP appreciation society here.  You don't have to personally like ELP but at least respect what they were and did for this genre of music you all claim to love.

Overrated?  How about apparently most underrated considering how many of you know so little of just how important they were and still are. Not to you flunkies.. but to those that really matter. Today's prog musicians who recognize just how much those 3 made prog what it is.

pfff... and another bah for good measure.