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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 17 2011 at 16:41
what about Neoprog? Big smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 17 2011 at 16:51
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:


Well actually, the problem was that you didn't ignore them because PA doesn't understand how the internet works...

Oh yeah, once more round the block for that wheezing ol' chestnut 'blame the victim' Confused

Blame the victim is a bit of a melodramatic way of putting it, but sure, I guess that is a somewhat accurate way of describing my position. I don't think I have to explain to you the reasoning behind "Don't feel the trolls". I present to you WalterDigsTunes ca. 2007-2011 as my primary evidence that PA is extraordinarily bad at following that simple rule.

And are you trying to drag me off-topic? ;-)


Melodramatic, moi? Point taken re FEEDING the Trolls but we all want (I hope) a site where nobody is frightened to challenge bad behaviour as otherwise the spectre of tacit approval holds sway.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 17 2011 at 16:52
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

 
Originally posted by E-Dub E-Dub wrote:

And I find posting about griping about posting to be annoying, too.

Yes, but if anybody listened to me the thread would be easier to read for everyone...
 
Originally posted by E-Dub E-Dub wrote:

But not a fraction as annoying about trolls coming in, taking a squat and crapping all over a thread. I can doubt myself a lot, but I'm friggin' dead on about this one.

Well actually, the problem was that you didn't ignore them because PA doesn't understand how the internet works...


No. The root problem is that people who could give a frog's fat a** about neo prog are coming in and dumping all over it. That is where I was going with the comment. You essentially flipped it around and said I was the problem for not ignoring it when (in fact) all of this could be avoided if members would remain in the threads that mean the most them.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 17 2011 at 16:55
Originally posted by jean-marie jean-marie wrote:

what about Neoprog? Big smile


Already gave my recommendations. Smile

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 17 2011 at 16:56
We can pick a day or two where we decide to be a****les and go into all of the RIO/Avant Magma threads and speak sh*t about them just because we have a keyboard and we can.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 17 2011 at 16:59
Another recommendation I would have would be Subsignal's Beautiful & Monstrous. That particular disc just caught me completely off guard and was probably my best purchase for that year. New one is coming out any day now.

Also Eden is another fantastic band. I heard a song from their upcoming album and it stands to be their strongest one yet. Great to see Rich Harding back and behind the mic after such a horrific motorcycle accident.

It would be an oversight if I didn't recommend these two.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 17 2011 at 17:00
I recently downloaded About Time from Also Eden.  It was really good.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 17 2011 at 17:03
 
Originally posted by E-Dub E-Dub wrote:

No. The root problem is that people who could give a frog's fat a** about neo prog are coming in and dumping all over it. That is where I was going with the comment. You essentially flipped it around and said I was the problem for not ignoring it when (in fact) all of this could be avoided if members would remain in the threads that mean the most them.

But you can't stop people from doing things, and you have to deal with it in least disruptive way possible. If everyone in this thread had reported posts and ignored them, we would not be horribly derailed right now. But for some reason PA cannot resist responding, which is what kept Walter around for four years. Perhaps people feel they are entitled to because they have stars? But it's Ian's job to discourage unhelpful behavior with aggressive action, not yours.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 17 2011 at 17:06
They disrupted this thread. Not I.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 17 2011 at 17:07
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

I recently downloaded About Time from Also Eden.  It was really good.


Go after The Differences As Light. It gives you a better (and current) overview of the band now.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 17 2011 at 17:22
 
Originally posted by E-Dub E-Dub wrote:

They disrupted this thread. Not I.

Yes, you did.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 17 2011 at 17:27
I would strongly recommend that we drop any continued discussion about earlier disruptive events and let the thread continue unhindered. This really ain't much fun to read for those who actually want to discuss Neo-Prog.

Let it rest fellas. (my largesse is strictly non-negotiable Evil Smile)


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 17 2011 at 17:48
Fish era Marillion is ok
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 17 2011 at 17:53
Misplaced Childhood is essential, IMO.

I'd also go for Magenta, but only Seven and Revolutions. I haven't been able to get into anything after that.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 17 2011 at 18:01
not a huge fan of the genre, but Misplaced Childhood is fantastic IMO. If you're looking for post-70s prog not in the "neo-prog" category, I recommend Moon Safari
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 17 2011 at 18:03
What about Marillion's second album, Fugazi?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 17 2011 at 18:08
Honestly, if you're looking for good Marillion material, just get the Fish-era albums.

He's a lot like Peter Gabriel.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 17 2011 at 18:10

Originally posted by GoldenGod2112 GoldenGod2112 wrote:

What about Marillion's second album, Fugazi?

i like it a great deal. some filler but a mostly very good.
Clutching at Straws is also brilliant. indeed i prefer it over childhood, which is overshadowed by kayleigh.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 17 2011 at 18:32
Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

Originally posted by Polo Polo wrote:

Originally posted by E-Dub E-Dub wrote:

Originally posted by Polo Polo wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Surprised there aren't more comments saying how neo prog is terrible but giving no real reason why. 

Not sure what this genre really is but I've heard an album by that band Pendragon and it didn't seem too bad. 


I like these threads because it shows me whose opinions never to take seriously because they can't keep from sh*tting up the forum.

It's not hard to sum up how the concept of neo-prog is weak. People may like it, but it is still a conceptually failed subgenre.


Sorry, but this is rubbish. If you look at some of the popular albums from the past 15 to 20 years, a lot of them are neo. Hell, just look at the past polls over at DPRP and bands like IQ, Marillion and Pendragon are choking off the top 5 spots, with any one of these bands taking album of the year.

Weak may be your opinion; however, conceptually failed is ludicrous. 

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Hundreds of discussions on PA have already proved that popularity isn't an acceptable argument in any discussion. Need one bring Justin Bieber to this thread?

And it does fail in concept. Most bands in the subgenre base their sound around reusing successful formulas of the Golden Era of Prog and mix them with catchy, merry melodies. It's not hard to run out of ideas and become a self parody if they don't create new concepts.

Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

I see that you guys have met trollceratopsoil and trollo.  Both members that are basically members.  My enjoyment of this site has dwindled immensely since their arrival, and I am quite sure that both will be quite proud to know that they have accomplished this.

I'm not trolling here, mr. Bringer o' Truth Almighty. One has the right to defend what he believes in. I keep my sillyness in the Shred Room, and I don't believe you should bring your dislike of me outta it.

Just your location tells me all I need to know. " your mom". How infantile and something I am sure you would only say to a computer screen. If you don't like something....state it and move on rather than hijacking a thread.

Oh sheez, I forgot a sarcastic joke meant so much.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 17 2011 at 18:44
I've personally never been a fan of neo-prog, but I personally value Arena over all the others. I remember Subsignal being okay, too. 
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