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Posted: October 07 2010 at 23:31
SaltyJon wrote:
Kobaian started the same way every "real" language did, you know. I guess English is a fictional language too. Frank talks about the real world and its stupidity in a made up language too, so you should probably stop listening to him.
I'M NOW GOING TO DEBATE LINGUISTICS AS IT RELATES TO KOBAIAN AND FREE JAZZ. I'LL DO USING MY OWN MADE-UP LANGUAGE. WHICH IS ACTUALLY A REAL LANGUAGE. HOW AVANT IS THAT.
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Posted: October 07 2010 at 23:53
this poll has more post than votes, 5 pages already!
I can say i have heard the full discogs of each two sides here ('cept by zappa's classical music period) and I dislike the zeulhistic chants (choirs likes) for too long, the instrumental parts are ok tho. And in the other side, sometimes i cant stand Zappa's sense of humor, awesome music and sound but then he start singing about "titties and beer"...
still some of my all time fav pieces in music are from uncle Zappa, he's a f**king b*****d wacko/genius, just look at him:
I Could have bought a Third World country with the riches that I've spent
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Posted: October 07 2010 at 23:57
You've heard all of Zappa's discography? That's quite a lot of stuff. Plus, his sense of humor is pretty good a lot of the time...listen to the first several tracks of Apostrophe, I love the stuff in those.
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Posted: October 08 2010 at 03:47
I've only heard Magma's debut recently and it's becoming a favourite of mine, as well as some other tracks from other albums that didn't quite make the same impact on me.
However, I've heard around ten Zappa albums. Some I really like and some I do not care so much for.
In other words no vote. And I will continue to investigate further into Magma.
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Posted: October 08 2010 at 08:46
SaltyJon wrote:
You've heard all of Zappa's discography? That's quite a lot of stuff. Plus, his sense of humor is pretty good a lot of the time...listen to the first several tracks of Apostrophe, I love the stuff in those.
*all studio albums not including the posthumous ones. and thanks to Zappa i'd never eat the yellow snow.
I Could have bought a Third World country with the riches that I've spent
Joined: April 05 2006
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Posted: October 08 2010 at 11:32
VanVanVan wrote:
Anthony H. wrote:
I don't really understand how Magma is "emotionally stirring." This isn't necessarily a bad thing, though; not all music has to be.
I find Ëmëhntëhtt-Re very emotional.
Magma for me.
Me too. I also find "Felicite Thosz" emotionally stirring.
I find a lot of Magma music that stirs my emotions (it can be so exuberant and reach sublime levels).
Different people's emotions are stirred differently, and we all have a gamut of emotions that can be stirred. Certainly every Magma album provokes an emotional response in me.
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Posted: October 08 2010 at 11:57
One reason why I can very comfortably vote for Vander's music over Zappa's is that I find Vander far more consistent to my tastes. Admittedly, I know much more Vander music as I have more than twenty Magma albums, Offering's, Univeria Zekt's, solo etc. (I would have rather this been artists Vander vs. Zappa, or if bands then The Mothers of Invention vs. Magma), and I've heard maybe only ten Zappa albums in full. Both I've defended, or tried to turn people onto who criticised aspects of the works since both do have variety. I tend to prefer Zappa's instrumentals which commonly limits his appeal to me. With Magma, I like very album I have. Zappa just does not reach the, to my mind. sublime levels that Magma's does very often (and the contrasts in Magma's music work really well for me). This is merely a poll of preferences, though.
Side question for people: What was the first music of both you got into? While MDK was my first Magma album (in fact it was a live version, and then I got the studio version), the track I first heard, and it really wowed me, was Iss Lansei Doia. Hot Rats was my first Zappa album, and "Peaches en Regalia' was the track that got me into Zappa. It became a staple on the radio, and I thank that in part for really getting me into progressive rock. Hearing that sandwiched between KIm Mitchel and Bon Jovi was quite the experience, and it wasn't long before I could not listen to classic rock radio due to all of the, to my mind, very poor music (had a car with only a radio). For ever "Peaches" there were many songs I could not stand.
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Posted: October 08 2010 at 12:12
Padraic wrote:
Anthony H. wrote:
I don't really understand how Magma is "emotionally stirring." This isn't necessarily a bad thing, though; not all music has to be.
Then you don't understand Magma. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, though; not everyone does.
Understanding/ feeling any music has so much to do with one's musical background. Individual taste and response/ reaction depends on various factors. Hermeneutics and audience reception aesthetics is a serious study. I don't expect others to have the same reaction as I do. If, say, the beauty I feel in Magma's music leaves another cold, I chalk it mostly up to taste and experience.
Beethoven's 9th is glorious to me, but I knew someone who couldn't stand it when I played it for him.
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Posted: October 08 2010 at 12:22
Logan wrote:
Padraic wrote:
Anthony H. wrote:
I don't really understand how Magma is "emotionally stirring." This isn't necessarily a bad thing, though; not all music has to be.
Then you don't understand Magma. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, though; not everyone does.
Understanding/ feeling any music has so much to do with one's musical background. Individual taste and response/ reaction depends on various factors. Hermeneutics and audience reception aesthetics is a serious study. I don't expect others to have the same reaction as I do. If, say, the beauty I feel in Magma's music leaves another cold, I chalk it mostly up to taste and experience.
Beethoven's 9th is glorious to me, but I knew someone who couldn't stand it when I played it for him.
I was just trolling. I don't really care who likes what anymore.
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SaltyJon wrote:
Frank talks about the real world and its stupidity in a made up language too, so you should probably stop listening to him. 
this poll has more post than votes, 5 pages already!
and thanks to Zappa i'd never eat the yellow snow.
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That question will be without answer for ever for me because The Mothers Invention and Magma are among my favorite bands (Top 10 easily).
