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DavetheSlave
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Posted: December 11 2008 at 12:51 |
To me the lyrics are part of the composition!!! I want to know what a track is about before I can appreciate it fully. Imagine if Camel had not named the Snowgoose!!! What pleasure would the music then have given???
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Posted: December 11 2008 at 14:09 |
DavetheSlave wrote:
Hello explodingjosh!!!!! Happy now!!!!
You know - I am remembering Dave Mustaine's recent controversy when he refused to take Megadeth to a concert because Rotting Christ were appearing. Why on earth would someone call a band that?!! Because they WANT TO. Open your mind a little bit and make a strong effort to try to understand the fact that Christ for some people is NOT the savior and son of nobody, especially since for some people therer is NO GOD. Also, you have to at least know a little bit about history and about the human kind to understand how people use COUNTER-culture elements for many reasons... Black metal exists because some people liked the music and the satanic imagery and nihilism and isolation... (actually, ironically, it was truly born in Norway, land of cold and isolation...). That's why. Mr Mustaine, thans god, satan or whomever, is not the wise measuring tool that educated people use to decide what's right and what's wrong. ONLY YOU DO IT FOR YOURSELF>
Another thing - why are so mant Death and Black metal bands named after occult demons? READ. Because they WANT TO. Because not everybody beliefs WHAT YOU BELIEVE.
And that peple with those dark names, believe me, sometimes they're so much nicer and good people than some of the ones that are ready to cast the first stone when the words of christianity ar not immediately revered....
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Posted: December 11 2008 at 14:12 |
Vompatti wrote:
I fully agree with slaver here. Good lyrics (i.e. the kind that don't ruin the music but add something to it) are always intelligent and insightful at least on some level, and I can't really imagine anti-religious Why? so anything that goes against religion is bad? So we all have to bow down to the fairy-tale beliefs of the majority? or senselessly violent lyrics here I may agree more... being anything but stupid and embarrassing. Of course it's ytour opinion. To me such lyrics imply that the band and especially the lyric-writer don't really have anything constructive to say and that they seemingly have no idea what music and art in general should be about. Which I guess you know. For YOUR vision. |
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Queen By-Tor
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Posted: December 11 2008 at 14:13 |
Questioning lyrics are the best kind.
Faithless and Ghost Of A Chance are two of my favorite Rush tunes
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DavetheSlave
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Posted: December 11 2008 at 14:22 |
Hi- the T - I was involved very heavily in the Occult for a while and that was musically inspired - to emulate a then favorite band of mine.!!!! I saw personally, the harm that that can do!!!! I say leave all of that out of music - unless a Band has something along those lines to say - which would personally scare me!
Lucifer was the Angel in Heaven in charge of music and the arts!!!! Satan aint some ugly red skinned beast with a forked tail - he was the Angel of beauty.... Scary aint it..
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Posted: December 11 2008 at 14:25 |
Not everyone copy the bands they like. NORMAL people don't. Maybe you just like to follow the trends a bit more than others. I was heavy into Marilyn Manson but I'm not a satanist
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Posted: December 11 2008 at 14:25 |
DavetheSlave wrote:
Hi- the T - I was involved very heavily in the Occult for a while and that was musically inspired - to emulate a then favorite band of mine.!!!! I saw personally, the harm that that can do!!!! I say leave all of that out of music - unless a Band has something along those lines to say - which would personally scare me!
Lucifer was the Angel in Heaven in charge of music and the arts!!!! Satan aint some ugly red skinned beast with a forked tail - he was the Angel of beauty.... Scary aint it.. |
not really when you don't believe in heaven or hell
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DavetheSlave
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Posted: December 11 2008 at 14:28 |
You know- I would hate to believe that when I die that's it. I had some very personal experiences which proved to me that you don't die. Death is a figment of imagination and I know that - it's a rebirth.
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Queen By-Tor
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Posted: December 11 2008 at 14:29 |
lets not turn this into a religious argument. Especially with the recent loss of one of our finest reviewers. You can continue this discussion on your own.
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DavetheSlave
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Posted: December 11 2008 at 14:38 |
Religion isn't the sole point of the thread - lyrical content is!!!! Again why can't some artists leave some things alone. There are infinate things out there to sing about. I never heard the old prog bands enter the same territory lyric wise as some "new" artists insist on treading!!!!
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: December 11 2008 at 14:41 |
Baby Snakes
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Tapfret
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Posted: December 11 2008 at 14:48 |
DavetheSlave wrote:
Hi- the T - I was involved very heavily in the Occult for a while and that was musically inspired - to emulate a then favorite band of mine.!!!! I saw personally, the harm that that can do!!!! I say leave all of that out of music - unless a Band has something along those lines to say - which would personally scare me!
Lucifer was the Angel in Heaven in charge of music and the arts!!!! Satan aint some ugly red skinned beast with a forked tail - he was the Angel of beauty.... Scary aint it.. |
Your involvement was your choice, PERIOD. It had nothing to do with the music. Like I said before, its story telling. You were no more bound to become involved in the occult because of a bands lyrics than you are to have a sex change after watching the movie Transamerica or become a gangster after watching Goodfellas . The only thing scary is how many people don't take responsibility for their own choices and want to blame art for influencing them.
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Posted: December 11 2008 at 14:52 |
jammun wrote:
As usual, Zappa had it right all along. A band should be free to sing any lyrics, good or bad (and in my experience the good far outnumbers the bad). If you don't like the lyrics, don't listen to it. This advice should apply to Christians, Muslims, satan worshipers, lovers of '50s shlock, and everything in between.
Frank usually pushed the envelope to prove his point, hence Have I Offended Someone?
I'm no fan of lyrics that promote violence, consumerism, or rabid intolerance. But they do, at least here in the U.S., have a right to exist. Our choice is to ignore them if offensive. |
What he said!
i completely agree with that.
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DavetheSlave
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Posted: December 11 2008 at 14:52 |
Hi Tapfret - you really have NO IDEA!!!!!! Teenagers have very little choice in fact and in this field I will overide your thinking! I'll play you some lyrics that will make your hait curl - if they don't then BE WORRIED!!!! because you need to be. You got kids???
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Queen By-Tor
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Posted: December 11 2008 at 14:54 |
Oh. My. God.
You are an idiot.
pardon my French, but anyone who is stupid enough to be "brainwashed" by evil bands deserves what's coming to them.
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Tapfret
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Posted: December 11 2008 at 15:01 |
I'm pretty much done here. Hail Satan!
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DavetheSlave
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Posted: December 11 2008 at 15:01 |
King By Tor - you called them Evil Bands - I wonder why!!!!!
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Queen By-Tor
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Posted: December 11 2008 at 15:03 |
"evil", like, I'm sarcastic. Man, youre just like my grandmother to tried to exorcise me when I was 15
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DavetheSlave
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Posted: December 11 2008 at 15:05 |
Maybe she should have!!!
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Queen By-Tor
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Posted: December 11 2008 at 15:06 |
She did. And guess what, it did nothing - you know why? Because either god doesn't care enough or there is no force that expels demons from kids with a rebellious streak.
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