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Nipsey88 
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Joined: May 27 2005
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 Posted: February 07 2006 at 16:31 |
 Rising Force wrote:
At least Yngwie is more innovative and is more awesome than Tool.
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Yeah, sure...talk to your doctor, maybe he can lower the dosage on the script for ya...
All rude sarcasm aside though, are you kidding me?? I mean, Malmsteen
may be a great technician on his instrument, but innovative? All of his
stuff sounds like warmed over Bach blasted though a Marshall stack, and
every album I have heard (only 3 to be honest, though) sounds
identical. Like Tool or not, I think very few would argue (some still
may) that they have carved out a niche for themselves in modern
progressive rock by cultivating a very original and innovative
philosophy towards their music. You may argue that many bands sound
like Tool (I would not disagree), but realize that they all came after
the fact.
Again, it all comes down to personal taste, but for my money, finely
crafted haunting and innovative heavy music will always win out over
hair farmer guitar gymnastics.
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DualXP
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Joined: December 22 2005
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Posted: February 07 2006 at 16:45 |
sloppy drumming would be a good way to describe the drumming if your mind was too simple to comprehend the VERY complex polyrthyms.
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CryoftheCarrots
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Joined: November 29 2005
Location: Australia
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Points: 674
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Posted: February 07 2006 at 16:46 |
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Like Tool or not, I think very few would argue (some still may) that they have carved out a niche for themselves in modern progressive rock by cultivating a very original and innovative philosophy towards their music. You may argue that many bands sound like Tool (I would not disagree), but realize that they all came after the fact.
Again, it all comes down to personal taste, but for my money, finely crafted haunting and innovative heavy music will always win out over hair farmer guitar gymnastics.
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I couldn't agree more,well said. Innovation will alway's attract criticism.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Joined: April 22 2005
Location: Sweden
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Points: 21578
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Posted: February 07 2006 at 16:47 |
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^ agreed. Carey's playing is many things, but NOT sloppy.
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Rising Force
Forum Senior Member
Joined: January 09 2006
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Points: 439
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Posted: February 07 2006 at 17:49 |
Nipsey88 wrote:
Rising Force wrote:
At least Yngwie is more innovative and is more awesome than Tool.
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Yeah, sure...talk to your doctor, maybe he can lower the dosage on the script for ya...
All rude sarcasm aside though, are you kidding me?? I mean, Malmsteen
may be a great technician on his instrument, but innovative? All of his
stuff sounds like warmed over Bach blasted though a Marshall stack, and
every album I have heard (only 3 to be honest, though) sounds
identical. Like Tool or not, I think very few would argue (some still
may) that they have carved out a niche for themselves in modern
progressive rock by cultivating a very original and innovative
philosophy towards their music. You may argue that many bands sound
like Tool (I would not disagree), but realize that they all came after
the fact.
Again, it all comes down to personal taste, but for my money, finely
crafted haunting and innovative heavy music will always win out over
hair farmer guitar gymnastics.
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Yngwie spawned a genre, and Tool did not, as far as I'm aware of. That is what I meant by Yngwie is more innovative. Tool did not change the face of rock guitar or have the influence on rock like Yngwie did. Blackmore and Rhoads laid the foundation for neo classical metal, but Yngwie kick started the genre. Yngwie took the world by storm with his debut, then came all these followers, like MacAlpine, Moore, Becker, Friedman, Gilbert, Romeo, etc. All of a sudden there are tons of guitar virtuosos to emerge after the wake of Yngwie. I think you're the one that needs help if you don't realize this.
Edited by Rising Force
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cucacola54
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Joined: July 11 2005
Location: Mexico
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Points: 1729
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Posted: February 07 2006 at 18:23 |
I love Lateralus, Tool is a great band... and I love Y. Malmsteen too, Odessy is an excelent album IMHO
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Oxygen Waster
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Joined: December 24 2005
Location: Canada
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Points: 296
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Posted: February 07 2006 at 18:47 |
Zweck wrote:
TheProgtologist wrote:
There is nothing worse than close-minded prog purists.
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Or maybe Tool are just plain crap?
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Well thats just to absolute for me.I can honestly say with no remorse that you are wrong!!
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FishyMonkey
Prog Reviewer
Joined: May 13 2005
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Points: 127
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Posted: February 07 2006 at 18:59 |
Oxygen Waster wrote:
Zweck wrote:
TheProgtologist wrote:
There is nothing worse than close-minded prog purists.
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Or maybe Tool are just plain crap?
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Well thats just to absolute for me.I can honestly say with no remorse that you are wrong!! |
These are just three of the posts in this thread that really piss me off. This thread is full of people who on both sides are closeminded, quick to jump to conclusions, are posting maliciously, all sorts of stuff. I think it's time for me to get out of this forum period and just post reviews. There are too many purists, too many people declaring their opinion like it matters to the whole damn forum (and the people who take it seriously and fight back), too many people stuck in the past, too many people who just need to get out more. I have over 7000 posts at IGN boards, and I'm still not sick of the place. To have less than 100 or whatever I'm at here and to already hate the place is truly a testament to how moronic some of you are with your opinions. An opinion can't be wrong...it can be discussed, it can be discounted for if it's stupid enough, but it can't be wrong. There's a reason prog is ridiculed, a reason prog died out in the 80s...the general sense of superiority and the way some of you disparage other users constantly here is ridiculous.
So see you later. God bless you people who don't ONLY appreciate tr00 pure prog rock, but simply have a love for music. I know many of you won't care about this post or anything...it'll probably be ignored. But it feels good to vent a bit before I leave. So if anything, that's what this post is. Oh, before I go, greenback, if you read this, you're a a complete dumbass. Just so you know.
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cold103
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Joined: April 12 2005
Location: California, USA
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Points: 297
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Posted: February 07 2006 at 20:31 |
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Lateralus is great and Danny is my favorite drummer.
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Lord Qwerty
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Joined: February 07 2006
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Points: 82
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Posted: February 07 2006 at 20:40 |
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I believe their drummer and bassist are very talented. Everyone else I find terribly dull and narcissistic. I believe their rhythm section should leave and form their own fusion band. It would be a pleasure to hear how they would sound without such uninspiring leadership.
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Rising Force
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Points: 439
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Posted: February 07 2006 at 20:55 |
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FishyMonkey: Rock on.
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Bern
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Joined: September 22 2005
Location: Québec
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Points: 11746
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Posted: February 07 2006 at 21:03 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
greenback wrote:
Bern wrote:
There is nothing worse than close-minded prog purists.
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Sorry but I don't consider myself to be close-minded
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Are you kidding me? Besides: Seeing you use the Tyranny album art as an avatar is really confusing. Is there any logic in which prog metal bands you love, and which ones you despise? |
Ok sorry this may sound stupid but I didn't even know my avatar was an album art from Tyranny. I found this painting on the internet and thought it looked nice 
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RIP in bossa nova heaven.
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transend
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Joined: May 15 2005
Location: United States
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Posted: February 07 2006 at 21:11 |
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I apologize for the term 'TRADITIONAL PROGRESSIVE ROCK'. I was merely referring to the 'type of music' that makes up the top ten at this site. I think many people looking for that sort of stuff (Genesis, Yes, Floyd and their modern versions) will find little with Tool that bares comparison. That is ALL i meant.
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greenback
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Joined: August 14 2004
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Posted: February 07 2006 at 21:24 |
FishyMonkey wrote:
Oxygen Waster wrote:
Zweck wrote:
TheProgtologist wrote:
There is nothing worse than close-minded prog purists.
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Or maybe Tool are just plain crap?
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Well thats just to absolute for me.I can honestly say with no remorse that you are wrong!!
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These are just three of the posts in this thread that really piss me off. This thread is full of people who on both sides are closeminded, quick to jump to conclusions, are posting maliciously, all sorts of stuff. I think it's time for me to get out of this forum period and just post reviews. There are too many purists, too many people declaring their opinion like it matters to the whole damn forum (and the people who take it seriously and fight back), too many people stuck in the past, too many people who just need to get out more. I have over 7000 posts at IGN boards, and I'm still not sick of the place. To have less than 100 or whatever I'm at here and to already hate the place is truly a testament to how moronic some of you are with your opinions. An opinion can't be wrong...it can be discussed, it can be discounted for if it's stupid enough, but it can't be wrong. There's a reason prog is ridiculed, a reason prog died out in the 80s...the general sense of superiority and the way some of you disparage other users constantly here is ridiculous.
So see you later. God bless you people who don't ONLY appreciate tr00 pure prog rock, but simply have a love for music. I know many of you won't care about this post or anything...it'll probably be ignored. But it feels good to vent a bit before I leave. So if anything, that's what this post is. Oh, before I go, greenback, if you read this, you're a a complete dumbass. Just so you know. |
who cares?
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Zac M
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: July 03 2005
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Posted: February 07 2006 at 21:42 |
Bern wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
greenback wrote:
Bern wrote:
There is nothing worse than close-minded prog purists.
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Sorry but I don't consider myself to be close-minded
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Are you kidding me? Besides: Seeing you use the Tyranny album art as
an avatar is really confusing. Is there any logic in which prog metal
bands you love, and which ones you despise? |
Ok sorry
this may sound stupid but I didn't even know my avatar was an album art
from Tyranny. I found this painting on the internet and thought it
looked nice
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He was commenting on Greenback's avy not yours...no worries my friend...
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"Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression."
-Merleau-Ponty
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Bern
Forum Senior Member
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Joined: September 22 2005
Location: Québec
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Posted: February 07 2006 at 21:49 |
meurglysIII wrote:
Bern wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
greenback wrote:
Bern wrote:
There is nothing worse than close-minded prog purists.
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Sorry but I don't consider myself to be close-minded
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Are you kidding me? Besides: Seeing you use the Tyranny album art as
an avatar is really confusing. Is there any logic in which prog metal
bands you love, and which ones you despise? |
Ok sorry
this may sound stupid but I didn't even know my avatar was an album art
from Tyranny. I found this painting on the internet and thought it
looked nice
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He was commenting on Greenback's avy not yours...no worries my friend...
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Too late, I already changed my avatar  . Thanks anyway
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RIP in bossa nova heaven.
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Mikerinos
Forum Senior Member
Joined: August 11 2005
Location: Planet Gong
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Points: 8890
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Posted: February 07 2006 at 22:07 |
greenback wrote:
FishyMonkey wrote:
Oxygen Waster wrote:
Zweck wrote:
TheProgtologist wrote:
There is nothing worse than close-minded prog purists.
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Or maybe Tool are just plain crap?
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Well thats just to absolute for me.I can honestly say with no remorse that you are wrong!!
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These are just three of the posts in this thread that really piss me off. This thread is full of people who on both sides are closeminded, quick to jump to conclusions, are posting maliciously, all sorts of stuff. I think it's time for me to get out of this forum period and just post reviews. There are too many purists, too many people declaring their opinion like it matters to the whole damn forum (and the people who take it seriously and fight back), too many people stuck in the past, too many people who just need to get out more. I have over 7000 posts at IGN boards, and I'm still not sick of the place. To have less than 100 or whatever I'm at here and to already hate the place is truly a testament to how moronic some of you are with your opinions. An opinion can't be wrong...it can be discussed, it can be discounted for if it's stupid enough, but it can't be wrong. There's a reason prog is ridiculed, a reason prog died out in the 80s...the general sense of superiority and the way some of you disparage other users constantly here is ridiculous.
So see you later. God bless you people who don't ONLY appreciate tr00 pure prog rock, but simply have a love for music. I know many of you won't care about this post or anything...it'll probably be ignored. But it feels good to vent a bit before I leave. So if anything, that's what this post is. Oh, before I go, greenback, if you read this, you're a a complete dumbass. Just so you know. |
who cares? |
Some people never learn.... 
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sularetal
Forum Senior Member
Joined: November 24 2005
Location: Greece
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Points: 264
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Posted: February 08 2006 at 09:26 |
greenback wrote:
who cares? |
My brother is more mature than you and he's something like 8 years old....
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Ed_The_Dead
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Joined: April 29 2005
Location: Poland
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Points: 4928
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Posted: February 08 2006 at 11:02 |
God...  watching stuff like this makes me just sick and leave the damn forum for some time... Kinda feel like FishyMonkey... If this was Ye last post, then no better way to leave the stage!!!
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W.Chuck
Forum Senior Member
Joined: October 27 2005
Status: Offline
Points: 606
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Posted: February 09 2006 at 09:16 |
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I really like Lateralus and I can understand that many find it boring,
but that's no reason to insult anyone here, that's simply retarded to
call somebody dumbass or something like that just because this person
has another opinion.
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