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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

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Genesis - Selling England... / The Lamb...
Jethro Tull - Minstrel... / Too Old

Totally agree with those two choices. Ideally, The overlong Lamb should have shorn down to a single album. Baa.  [URL=https://emojipedia.org/ewe" rel="nofollow]<h3 ="lc20lb="" mbeuo="" dkv0md"="" style="font-weight: 400; margin: 18px 0px 3px; padding: 5px 0px 0px; font-size: 20px; line-height: 1.3; display: inline-block;]🐑</h3>[/URL]


I often say about double albums, that they would have made more of an impact if they had been edited to a single disk (think: The Flower Kings)... but I can't agree here; the Lamb material holds up all the way through.
Nope. The Lamb is my least fave Genesis. I prefer the pop stuff to The Lamb.

Interesting that according to Steve Hackett in a recent interview said that when they recorded it at the Grange , PG was writing the music in an entirely different room. He had already left the band it seemed. This is not anything new probably but it was interesting to hear it said. Does it make any difference? I tend to think of it as almost as being a solo album much like The Wall was the start of Roger Waters solo career and Floyd had become his backing band. Nowadays I like Lamb more than SEBTP but I can't say that about Animals and The Wall.

I see Animals as the start of Roger Waters's solo career. Gilmour makes a powerful showing on that album, but Wright (except for his jazzy solo at the beginning of "Sheep") and Mason are relegated to being the backing/supporting group. Also, the lyrics/vocals become far too central to the entire package, rather than integrated into the music/performances.
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Originally posted by Steve Wyzard Steve Wyzard wrote:

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I see Animals as the start of Roger Waters's solo career. Gilmour makes a powerful showing on that album, but Wright (except for his jazzy solo at the beginning of "Sheep") and Mason are relegated to being the backing/supporting group. Also, the lyrics/vocals become far too central to the entire package, rather than integrated into the music/performances.

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Not sure about that at all ... the material for "Animals" was being played during the WYWH tour and it is in all the bootlegs. The 3 pieces were different, and the "space rock" piece (Sheep) was turned into a Roger Waters song, though the playing of it Live at the Anaheim Stadium was exceptional with Rick's keyboards literally dominating things.

I think they cleaned up the 3 pieces well, however, the original "Raving and Drooling" was to me, better than what Roger did with it ... this older version fit with "Astronomy Domine" and "Interstellar Overdrive", and other spacey far out stuff, that obviously Roger wanted to get rid of ... I doubt Nick didn't like it, since in his shows he has been doing the old stuff for us to enjoy ... something that both Dave and Roger have lost a taste for.

My take is, that both Dave and Roger are too set in their notes and chords and think that the compositions are better because they can screw around with a DAW and create something, and this would be a reason why they dislike the early stuff that had a lot of improvisation and undefined moments where they could do something different, which they obviously now feel that it was just kids screwing around, and not serious music ... and to me, that is very disrespectful to the other 2 members ... and I do not feel that Dave's solo work is anywhere near the quality of PF in its heyday ... and in fact, I find it "cheap" and just rock'n'roll (for lack of a better term) ... when compared to the moods, the creativity and the visuals that their older material carried, which their lyrics CURRENTLY do NOT. It's like their words are more important ... and honestly ... I don't need that any more than you do!


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I love the 2018 remix of Animals (and the new artwork) more than just about anything at the moment. Wright's genius is still well evident in the music. Floyd had nowhere to go after that album which was the problem with a lot of prog in the seventies. One you've made your statement you've made it. At least ELP had the good 'sense' to just crash off the end of a cliff rather than drag us through decades of slow decline.
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The topic for this week's Live Sunday Progstream on The Prog Corner YouTube channel?

"AFTER THE MASTERPIECE"

This is something that has fascinated me ever since Andy Partridge talked about following up Skylarking. It was different now; they knew the music they were working on was actually going to be digested by a lot of people and it changed the vibe, the process, everything...
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Believe is my favourite album from Pendragon LOL
It's just a incredibly well balanced album, without the heaviness of Pure that would come and the massive walls of keyboards that was Not From this World... I really, really love it.

As for Rush, HYF would be a good example to me. Power Widows is a fantastic album and HYF is just so different, much more "romantic" (melody wise), lighter and with more filler tracks (it's a quite long album too). Also, the mixing quality is a lot worse and the drums don't sound good, especially when Power Windows gets a lot of this right.
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Wishbone Ash: There's The Rub/Locked In (also Argus/Wishbone Four though in hindsight a lot of that was down to the production of the latter)

Transatlantic: Whirlwind/Kaleidoscope

Neal Morse: Sola Scriptura/Lifeline
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