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Originally posted by salmacis salmacis wrote:

I think the band have tarnished their already dwindled reputation due to this silliness with 2 versions of BJH, plus the fact their albums are mainly re-recordings now. Happily, John Lees issued a statement saying his creative juices are flowing again so hopefully we'll get a good album. I felt 'Nexus' would have been a much better effort if it had all been new songs, not re-recordings. I enjoyed the new songs on that a lot.
 
Haven't heard about this orchestral thing, but I didn't like their 70s stuff with orchestras all that much so I doubt time will change that- I felt it overloaded quality tunes, more often than not.
 
1st ) the re-recordings on "Nexus" were due to the record-companies requests. I have to agree that, with the old stuff, I prefer to hear new renditions in concert ( but that's where I can't get enough of them... ) and Live-Albums.
2nd ) The "orchestral thing" doesn't seem to overload quality tunes this time, it's rather a "better synthesizer" and making Colin Browne look better than on "Live in Bonn", where, in fact, he was totally overburdened handling the "lead"-keyboardist-role, a job that was done well before by Kevin McAlea and, before the split 1997, Jeff Leach ( I never heard anybody playing "Life is for Living" that impressive, but it was only in the open-air-shows, the regular tour featured that song "unplugged" with Les solo on acoustic guitar ).
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Points: 4411 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2006 at 03:53
It's good to see you again in this thread, Rupert. You, along with Salmacis and Joolz are the most devote fans of Barclay James Harvest, in this site.Smile
 
Thank you for keep this topic alive (and well!!!).
 
BTW, the Nexus album was a little disappointment for me. That's because of too many re-recorded classics. Not to mention the different versions of some tracks... Fortunately I bought the Revival live album and things came out well. Tht's because those experiments are more acceptable by fans as live version.
 
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My Favourite band


"Hard Hearted Women" --kickass song

"Nova lepidoptra" -- spacy   my kind of melody(lovely song)

my favourite album

GONE to EARTH
XII

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I know you're another die-hard fan, Rover!!Wink
 
Nova Lepidoptera (song) and XII (the album) are strong recommendations...that's right for introducing other new fans!
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Originally posted by R o V e R R o V e R wrote:

My Favourite band


"Hard Hearted Women" --kickass song

"Nova lepidoptra" -- spacy   my kind of melody(lovely song)

my favourite album

GONE to EARTH
XII

 
 
Is that a Cat Stevens Cover?
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No, it's a Les Holroyd classicWink
 
BTW, I never listened to that same titled Stevens' track...
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Originally posted by Andrea Cortese Andrea Cortese wrote:

No, it's a Les Holroyd classicWink
 
BTW, I never listened to that same titled Stevens' track...
 
 
shows how much I know,  Cat Stevens is brilliant though, one of my favorite artists. 
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Andrea, you will be less disappointed about the Argentine Nexus albums Wink !
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Originally posted by Asyte2c00 Asyte2c00 wrote:

Originally posted by Andrea Cortese Andrea Cortese wrote:

No, it's a Les Holroyd classicWink
 
BTW, I never listened to that same titled Stevens' track...
 
 
shows how much I know,  Cat Stevens is brilliant though, one of my favorite artists. 
 
BJH's Hard Hearted Woman is on the 1977 album Gone to Earth.
 
Could you tell me where to find that Stevens' song?
 
I'm curios to know, but I presume it's only a matter of words...
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Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

Andrea, you will be less disappointed about the Argentine Nexus albums Wink !
 
LOL
 
Speaking about words' games...
 
Do that argentinian band has clear references to the italian classic prog scene?
 
I think it should be quite  normal for an argentinian band since a great part of argentinian people comes from Italy.Wink
 
PFM? Banco? or the most favourite of mine: Le Orme?
 
P.S. hhmmm, this post should be moved to the symphonic prog appreciation thread, ErikWink


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Originally posted by Andrea Cortese Andrea Cortese wrote:

Originally posted by Asyte2c00 Asyte2c00 wrote:

Originally posted by Andrea Cortese Andrea Cortese wrote:

No, it's a Les Holroyd classicWink
 
BTW, I never listened to that same titled Stevens' track...
 
 
shows how much I know,  Cat Stevens is brilliant though, one of my favorite artists. 
 
BJH's Hard Hearted Woman is on the 1977 album Gone to Earth.
 
Could you tell me where to find that Stevens' song?
 
I'm curios to know, but I presume it's only a matter of words...
 
Its on Tea for the Tillerman.  track two.  Amazing album, I prefer Teaser and the Firecat over this album though.  CS is one of my favorite artists. 
 
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Originally posted by Asyte2c00 Asyte2c00 wrote:

Originally posted by Andrea Cortese Andrea Cortese wrote:

Originally posted by Asyte2c00 Asyte2c00 wrote:

Originally posted by Andrea Cortese Andrea Cortese wrote:

No, it's a Les Holroyd classicWink
 
BTW, I never listened to that same titled Stevens' track...
 
 
shows how much I know,  Cat Stevens is brilliant though, one of my favorite artists. 
 
BJH's Hard Hearted Woman is on the 1977 album Gone to Earth.
 
Could you tell me where to find that Stevens' song?
 
I'm curios to know, but I presume it's only a matter of words...
 
Its on Tea for the Tillerman.  track two.  Amazing album, I prefer Teaser and the Firecat over this album though.  CS is one of my favorite artists. 
 
 
Cat Stevens' song is Hard Headed Woman.
 
BJH's song is Hard Hearted WomanWink
 
I've listened to the sample tarck and I can say the two songs are completely different.
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Points: 2747 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2006 at 05:43
Originally posted by Andrea Cortese Andrea Cortese wrote:

Originally posted by Asyte2c00 Asyte2c00 wrote:

Originally posted by Andrea Cortese Andrea Cortese wrote:

Originally posted by Asyte2c00 Asyte2c00 wrote:

Originally posted by Andrea Cortese Andrea Cortese wrote:

No, it's a Les Holroyd classic
 

BTW, I never listened to that same titled Stevens' track...

 

 

shows how much I know,  Cat Stevens is brilliant though, one of my favorite artists. 

 

BJH's Hard Hearted Woman is on the 1977 album Gone to Earth.

 

Could you tell me where to find that Stevens' song?

 

I'm curios to know, but I presume it's only a matter of words...

 

Its on Tea for the Tillerman.  track two.  Amazing album, I prefer Teaser and the Firecat over this album though.  CS is one of my favorite artists. 

 


 

Cat Stevens' song is Hard Headed Woman.

 

BJH's song is Hard Hearted Woman[IMG]height=17 alt=Wink src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle>

 

I've listened to the sample tarck and I can say the two songs are completely different.




by the way



   "Hard Hearted Woman"
is Kickass song
    

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Here we are, dear BJh's fans. I thought it was time to deepen our beloved band's discography. I'm very curious to know your opinions.
 
Today, I would like to talk about the debut album (self titled, as usually), which was released by Harvest label (of EMI) in 1970. Two years after their first single "Early Morning". I never undesrtood (and never I will) why they had to wait so long before they had the chance to record an entire album and not only a serie of singles. To be remembered other important singles "Brother Thrush" (one of my favourite ones) and "Poor Wages".
 
What do you think of the first album? What about the track list?
 
Barclay James Harvest LP cover
 
P.S. This is the very first attempt to create a complete thread about what the band has graced us of.
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Some album's info:
 
 
LP: Harvest SHVL 770, 5th June, 1970
MC: Only issued on cassette in France
CD: Part of Four BJH Originals 4CD set, EMI BARCLAY 1, February 1996
CD: Remaster with 13 bonus tracks, EMI UK, 27th May, 2002 highly recommended!Thumbs Up

Side 1
Taking Some Time On (Barclay James Harvest) ***/2
Mother Dear (Barclay James Harvest) ***/2
The Sun Will Never Shine (Barclay James Harvest) ****
When the World Was Woken (Barclay James Harvest) ***** Clap (wonderful track)

Side 2
Good Love Child (Barclay James Harvest) ***
The Iron Maiden (Barclay James Harvest) **** (a classic of early BJH! Wink)
Dark Now My Sky (Barclay James Harvest) ****/2 (not completely a masterpiece, but the most adventurous track they have ever released!Thumbs Up)


Bonus tracks on remastered CD:
Early Morning (Barclay James Harvest) (their first single)
Mister Sunshine (Barclay James Harvest)
So Tomorrow (Barclay James Harvest) [1968 BBC Session]
Eden Unobtainable (Barclay James Harvest) [1968 BBC Session]
Night (Barclay James Harvest) [1968 BBC Session]
Pools of Blue (Barclay James Harvest) [1968 BBC Session]
Need You Oh So Bad (Barclay James Harvest) [1968 BBC Session]
Small Time Town (Barclay James Harvest) [1968 BBC Session]
Dark Now My Sky (Barclay James Harvest) [1968 BBC Session]
I Can't Go On Without You (Barclay James Harvest)
Eden Unobtainable (Barclay James Harvest)
Poor Wages (Barclay James Harvest) (do not miss it!)
Brother Thrush (Barclay James Harvest) (their best single before the album was released!)
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Additional Personnel

The Barclay James Harvest Orchestra (former members of The New Symphonia).

Resident Musical Director: Robert Godfrey, next to be founder of The Enid.
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...hhmmmm, well, I'm so "alone in the night"!!!CryWink
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The first album is a good first effort, to say the least. I like everything on it, bar the humdrum Beatle esque 'Good Love Child', and I really wish the narration on 'Dark Now My Sky' had been cut (it's even worse on the BBC In Concert CD). Still, the other songs are fine.
 
I think though, that only one song actually sounds like the BJH we know and love- 'The Iron Maiden'. The rest of this is the closest they ever came to sounding like The Moody Blues (as detractors of BJH point out too often) and also, Procol Harum imo.
I'd argue that they didn't find their sound that would appear on susbsequent albums until 'Other Short Stories', no matter how great 'Once Again' is. 'Once Again' is the most progressive album the band ever recorded, and other albums are a bit lighter in terms of prog-ness.
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Hi James, thanks for your replyTongue
 
I agree with you on the fact that the first album is still embryonic. Still too connected to those giants that stand before as the magnificient Moodies, Beatles and Procol Harum.
 
Actually, the most favourite song of mine, "When the World Was Woken" is part of that musical roots. Nevertheless, it's a solid and wonderful track, in my humble opinion, close to the masterpiece status!Thumbs Up
 
The Iron Maiden, well, it's a classic, one of the angular stones upon whose they builded up their own sound!
 
Taking Some Time On and Good Love Child are two gracious straight rocker tunes.
 
The epic Dark Noe My Sky is so baroque and intriguing...not very representative and very different from the other long track Moonwater. So genuine, by the way, and so natural that can only be loved by me...Wink
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Originally posted by Andrea Cortese Andrea Cortese wrote:

No, it's a Les Holroyd classicWink
 
BTW, I never listened to that same titled Stevens' track...
 
Cat Stevens' song is named "hard HEADED woman" and a classic as well... it features in my livelist !
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