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Poll Question: what floats ya boat man...
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as I suspected it would.. so it did.. had a couple of rounds of listens last night while I was working on the computer and ...

still no luck coming up with firm 3..  then again it was probably my mood... the other night I was in sack and pillage Bad Mick mode.. last night I had to have my brain on ... so today..  in Saturday chill mode.. that is what I'll base my votes on haha.  So doing a final round of listens.. just for the votes .. but kudos to all for you all really delivered a great set of songs that sort of hit all the numbers. Not a bad one in the bunch.. 


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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

  Glad you enjoyed the Kaleidoscope, and I agree this was so difficult.  
Also, again, thank you for coming up this idea, it's been fun and I look forward to the next one.Clap


Wonderful piece of Indian raga!

And searching for news about Kaleidoscope, I've found this https://www.scaruffi.com/vol2/kaleidos.html

Scaruffi is a guide of mine. I dont always agree with him. He's often too severe and has some dislikes. But I always like his favourites and after having voted for Kaleidoscope I have discovered Scaruffi like them very much.

Thank you so much for that link!  That was a very thoughtful review of this LP and also the others.  I agree that the highlights were Sol's input into each one.  Less complete mixing of styles within one piece to represent the styles of each player, each player brought their style to a pieces which were then played by all, in that style and often with different instruments than the players "primary" ones.  Music very much of it's day and precursor to what was to come, in progressive and also world fusion.  I will be checking out Scaruffi's writings on some other pretty obscure psych.  Smile


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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Oh for heaven's sake!
I gave that Kaleidoscope thing a third listen just for the sake of commenting on it, thinking that I wouldn't vote it anyway... but this time with full concentration - and suddenly it's so good! (Somehow I didn't get it at all yesterday listening while doing the odd other thing.)
I suspect that Anoushka Shankar and Charles Ives might also come back big time at some point; I actually know some other pieces by both of them and for some reason like them more than the things you selected (the inexplicable magic of music that makes some stuff click with some persons and some with some others), even though clearly they are not bad, the potential is clearly there. Similar thing by the way Philip Glass - know some stuff of him that I'd clearly prefer to the one posted. 
But this means that there's more to vote for again than to what I had already narrowed down my choice. Sooo difficult. OK, concept decision - as a matter of principle I'm not giving Anoushka and Charles another chance. Unfair maybe, but I can't manage even more stuff in the selection.

  Now you know why, if I am fairly familiar with an artist, I have had to say, "No," to myself for voting for them.  Also agree so much with the idea that your ear may prefer something because it knows the piece too well, which I think is one of the things that guide us into music that grows on us (or do we grow into it?)...and why we can listen to a piece many times over and not become bored with it.  

Agreed on the Pelle Gunmundsen- Holmgreen piece, I could have opened my mind to it more if the bicycle horn had not been so long.  In comparison, I enjoyed your Scorn piece much, much more. 

Also notes on Einaudi and Glass.  I have pieces by both that I will consider entering, should this continue.  So I do enjoy both composers (but, also, familiar enough that I feel they are out of contention for me).  That being said, bring them on, for others to enjoy and vote on.  Their works are both varied and there is much to choose from.






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This time choosing only 3 wasn't easy. The level of quality of the tracks chosen for this poll (my favourite so far) was on the whole extremely high - much higher, I have to say, than the current prog pollWink. Anyway, I excluded "In Memory of Elizabeth Reed" from my choices because it's by far the best known of the tracks included in this poll (though obviously it's excellent and I like it very much). Here are my Top 3:

Anoushka Shankar and Patricia K. - Raga Piloo
Kaleidoscope - Taxim
Era - Tono

Honourable mention for Janko Nilovic, Philip Glass and Alice Cooper, but - as I already said - everything was top notch. Well done to everyone Smile!
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one more round for me.. had one break from the pack on this listen.. and not surprised for I'm rapidly learning his tastes appear to be aligned to my continually evolving tastes.

re: 'Liz Reed.  Yeah it is cool Doc did mention it, it is one of the truly great rock instrumentals ever done and as much as I love the orginal stuido versioin in which Dicky absolutely destroyed it (and Duane).. the live version.. much like my other 2 (2 and 3) alltime favorite bands, the Airplane and the Who.  Were not exactly 'album' bands.. but where the studio versions of songs were mere blueprints for where those 3 band truly excelled.. the 3 best live bands rock ever saw.

also I'd fail if I did't address a salient point about teh Allmans which sadly we didn't get to fully explain in terms on an addtion here to the Archive (if I had only stayed a bit longer haha).

a jam?  No..  no more than Miles Davis and his band were a ..f**king jam band.  Tom Dowd once said it best..  many fusion artists that came after the Allmans played rock in the jazz vernacular..  the Allmans were unique for playing jazz in the rock vernacular.. a very unique way of playing JR-F. Only Steely Dan really comes to mind as a similar artist in how they approached fusing jazz and 'rock' music.  Very easy to miss why is why the SD addition was so important.. so few apparently saw that distinction.. thinking them.. a f**king pop band. I got numerous PM's from people on this forum thanking me for the addition and for making them see the band in a new light.

so should have been it with the Allmans.


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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

As long as you don't mind a violin in place of a guitar I will suggest Taylor Davis' Nebulous.  She does a fantastic job playing movie soundtracks and video game theme songs, but this here is one of her originals.




If you like this song and you're interested in checking her out, here is a link to her YouTube page with a number of similar instrumental songs.


Clap  of all the suggestions Scott... yours is the one I am most curious to listen to...  I'm not familiar with her but over the years we've been kicking this forum together I thought I had got a fix on yours tastes, they mirror mine in a lot of ways. I'l be curious to see who this either confirms it. .. or better.. shatters it LOLBeer
I am curious to see what you thought of this one.  She is not my normal fair but I know of her through work and have really enjoyed a couple of Christmas albums of hers.  She is better known for her video game and Disney soundtrack work, but I like this original piece from her.  A slower piece from her that I enjoy is this one, and I get a kick out of the video where she is her own ensemble.
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Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

  Now you know why, if I am fairly familiar with an artist, I have had to say, "No," to myself for voting for them. 

Yeah, pretty much while I was writing that this is not my way of doing it, it started to dawn on my why you and others would. It makes sense. But then I'm also happy to have voted for Einaudi despite having known that piece already. And be it to show some connection to my adopted country (not only to others, also to myself). 
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Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

As long as you don't mind a violin in place of a guitar I will suggest Taylor Davis' Nebulous.  She does a fantastic job playing movie soundtracks and video game theme songs, but this here is one of her originals.




If you like this song and you're interested in checking her out, here is a link to her YouTube page with a number of similar instrumental songs.


Clap  of all the suggestions Scott... yours is the one I am most curious to listen to...  I'm not familiar with her but over the years we've been kicking this forum together I thought I had got a fix on yours tastes, they mirror mine in a lot of ways. I'l be curious to see who this either confirms it. .. or better.. shatters it LOLBeer
I am curious to see what you thought of this one.  She is not my normal fair but I know of her through work and have really enjoyed a couple of Christmas albums of hers.  She is better known for her video game and Disney soundtrack work, but I like this original piece from her.  A slower piece from her that I enjoy is this one, and I get a kick out of the video where she is her own ensemble.



I'll let you know..  I thought everyone did such a great job I'm going to address my comments to each individually.  Raff was dead on... this was by far the best set of suggestions we got. All over the place yet .. speaking of moods and temperaments.. I found the suggestions broke into a couple of different groupings. Both very different.. and maddingly for me.. both appealing to very distinct aspects of my personality. I've made no secret that for me.. the brain has no place in music (with a few notable exceptions for sheer brilliance in song writing).. it is all about the heart soul.. emotions if you will and there were two very different sets at play here in the suggestions which makes it for me very hard to choose.. much less a top 3 LOL


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I hope there is still time to vote. I need to go through all the songs.
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If anyone is interested, I created a Spotify Playlist with most of the songs.  There are a couple that I couldn't find and a couple that I picked what is likely a different version.



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I haven't even officially closed the window for suggestions on  this poll LOL Though I suppose it is a formality at this point.

you have all the time you want man.. to vote..  however the new poll I guess is going up Tuesday if you don't want to get avalanched with music.. and who would complain about that..that is like bitchin' about having a redhead in one arm.. a blond on the other.. and brunette waiting in the wings.
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I do like all of the choices, and knew quite a few of these pieces before. While I often favour that which is new to me that I really like in polls commonly, I won't discount those. Kaleidoscope and the Allman Brothers Band in particular have been favourite acts of mine.

While I could go multiple ways, based on my mood du jour, I vote for:

Anoushka Shankar and Patricia Kopatchinskaja - Raga Piloo
Kaleidoscope - Taxim
Metá Metá - São Paulo no Shakin'
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This was a tough but enjoyable vote.  I am not a big fan of piano solos so that helped to eliminate a number from contention.  

My top 3 are:

Marla Leigh - Rhythms of Tof Miriam - I liked that this was the only one where percussion was the lead instrument.

Kaleidoscope - Taxim - this one kind of went head to head with the first track from Shankar with the Indian tinged sound.  I couldn't vote for both of them and this one eked out my vote.

Taylor Davis - Nebulous - hey I suggested it because I like it so I'm gonna vote for it.  I liked the Era song Tono for the same reason with the lead violin and that one could have got my vote too.

My honorable mention goes to Tokyo Groove Jyoshi's wonderful cover of Tower of Power's What is Hip?  I might have enjoyed this one the most of all, but being it was a cover, and a splendid one at that, I decided to give this one an honorable mention.
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This is a terrific instrumental. And it's video game music.
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A question: aren't Kaleidoscope proto-prog?
Or raga-prog?

In the last years did the administrators
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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

A question: aren't Kaleidoscope proto-prog?
Or raga-prog?

In the last years did the administrators
Evuluate Kaleidoscope as possible new entry
in PA?
  The UK Kaleidoscope is in Proto-Prog, but not the US Kaleidoscope.  I think I did offer up the US Kaleidoscope one time as a potential, but either they weren't evaluated or were passed on, can't remember.  I double-checked to make sure they hadn't been entered into PA before I offered them up.  I don't know if they'd be considered proto or raga prog, as that determination hadn't been made here in PA.  Their material was very mixed overall, for instance, "Bald Headed End of A Broom," "Louisiana Man," nor "The Cuckoo," are raga-oriented in the least.  

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Originally posted by The Anders The Anders wrote:

I hope there is still time to vote. I need to go through all the songs.


Yes there is time.

I will open the new interactive poll next week, Tuesday evening or Wednesday.
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

one more round for me.. had one break from the pack on this listen.. and not surprised for I'm rapidly learning his tastes appear to be aligned to my continually evolving tastes.

re: 'Liz Reed.  Yeah it is cool Doc did mention it, it is one of the truly great rock instrumentals ever done and as much as I love the orginal stuido versioin in which Dicky absolutely destroyed it (and Duane).. the live version.. much like my other 2 (2 and 3) alltime favorite bands, the Airplane and the Who.  Were not exactly 'album' bands.. but where the studio versions of songs were mere blueprints for where those 3 band truly excelled.. the 3 best live bands rock ever saw.

also I'd fail if I did't address a salient point about teh Allmans which sadly we didn't get to fully explain in terms on an addtion here to the Archive (if I had only stayed a bit longer haha).

a jam?  No..  no more than Miles Davis and his band were a ..f**king jam band.  Tom Dowd once said it best..  many fusion artists that came after the Allmans played rock in the jazz vernacular..  the Allmans were unique for playing jazz in the rock vernacular.. a very unique way of playing JR-F. Only Steely Dan really comes to mind as a similar artist in how they approached fusing jazz and 'rock' music.  Very easy to miss why is why the SD addition was so important.. so few apparently saw that distinction.. thinking them.. a f**king pop band. I got numerous PM's from people on this forum thanking me for the addition and for making them see the band in a new light.

so should have been it with the Allmans.



Well, big question: which are the best live bands?

You say: Allman Brothers, The Who, The Jefferson Airplane.

I am not familiar to their live records but I am not
Surprise to read these names.

I would add Springsteen and the E Street Band, Dylan with the Band, the Grateful Dead, Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds,
Patti Smith, Lou Reed (Rock ans Roll Animal), Pink Floyd,
And here's to you my top10 of live bands.
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Since we are not to use proto-prog or prog related in the “other” poll, what does everyone think about using them here in this poll? Just curious.

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Originally posted by TCat TCat wrote:

Since we are not to use proto-prog or prog related in the “other” poll, what does everyone think about using them here in this poll? Just curious.

I like the exclusion of everything listed on PA as a general principle. One could make a one-off theme poll for them though. (I think there isn't that much listed in these categories anyway, compared with some others, is there?) 
Spinning the thought on... if there isn't enough listed in Proto and Related for a theme poll, what about "Proto, Related, and what you think should be there but isn't"? 


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