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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2006 at 19:04
Quote Drizzlebin. 
 
Sorry, that should have been Brisbane.  My apologies!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2006 at 19:10
Originally posted by oddentity oddentity wrote:

Quote Drizzlebin. 
 
Sorry, that should have been Brisbane.  My apologies!
 
No worries. For me Canberra is the place I called home but unforunately for the mean time I am living in Sydney Ouch
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 31 2006 at 05:08
Originally posted by oddentity oddentity wrote:

Anyone notice the quote of "The Ancient" in Crisis In Clay?    From my understanding, the 5UUs weren't big fans of Yes.     So I'm not sure if they were paying hommage to Yes's most avant-garde work, or mocking it.   

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Quote Also oddentity whereabouts in Australia are you hailing from? 
Drizzlebin.   What about yourself? 
 
Bob Drake wrote in another prog forum that all the key members of 5uus were big Yes fans in their youth, and that everything he does is influenced by Yes. I asked about the quote, and he said it was mostly for laffs, as a response to everybody saying they sounded like Yes.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 31 2006 at 07:54

Ok thanks, that's interesting.    Which forum is this?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 31 2006 at 07:59

Black Velvet,

Quote For me Canberra is the place I called home but unforunately for the mean time I am living in Sydney Ouch 

Do you have any interesting music stores down there?    There is an avant-garde section in Rocking Horse here in Brisbane, with a sprinkling of Cuneiform stuff, but that's just about it.    Other than that, it's a desert.  
 
What about bands?   Any RIO acts lurking in Sydney?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 31 2006 at 14:40

I recently bought cd's from ReR USA and they send you two sampler cd's filled with tracks from various avant-garde artists.

I am very pleased with this since it lets me sample many artists which I have not heard yet and some I have never heard before.
 
Many tracks herer I liked a lot, but I want to mention one group in particular who plays a frantic melange of free jazz and has the rio sound that you may find in other bands of the genre particularly those that Chris Cutler was involved in, since, well, he is in this band as well...
The group is called Ec Nudes.
 
Now here is what Chris says about this group in his site:
 
THE (ec) NUDES
amyDenioThumbnail.jpg EC Nudes

I had been in touch with Amy for along time before we met. She was working for the Musak corporation then and Recommended distributed her first LP.

1992 found me touring with Wadi Gysi and Hans Reichel - shortly after they had both toured with Amy- and a little later, while Wadi and I were doing a series of duo performances, the two of us began discussing the idea of a more organised group playing written rather than improvised music. Amy's was the first name to came up. So we called her and that was the beginning of The (ec) Nudes. I wrote a number of texts, which I sent both parties, then we met, rehearsed, toured and made our first CD, The Vanishing Point, in a single sweep. The Nudes was a straight-ahead band project: basic composition by individuals, collective arrangements and plenty of space for extemporisation. We recorded in France and Switzerland (with Bill Gilonis engineering). But, once we had the songs to tape, I had a strong intimation that mixing would be problematical. Although I had never relinquished hands-on participation in mixing before, on this occasion I suggested we hand the whole project to new ears in order to give the material its best shot. I had known Bob Drake for many years, both as an engineer and a musician (Thinking Plague, Hail). And I had worked with him too, in the touring version of Hail. So, I suggested he mix the CD alone. The group sent the masters to LA; Bob sent a coherent album back. And, for future tours, since Amy was somewhat over-demanded - being bassist, saxophonist, accordionist and singer - we invited Bob to join us. This quartet toured all over Europe and visited Brasil, but never recorded. Fitting schedules together was becoming increasingly difficult, and in light of various other internal complications, I decided in 1994 to leave. Amy and Wadi continued as The Pale Nudes, taking on a new bass-player and drummer.

WHAT'S IN A NAME-

THE NUDES because I thought it would be funny, look great on posters and be nice to live with. But at the last moment it had to become the (ec) NUDES (which is funnier, luckily) since it turned out that there was already a folk group in New York called The Nudes, and we didn't want to tread on their toes (them being nude and all).

ON RECORD:

THE VANISHING POINT (1994) ReR N1CD
 
 
 
 
And here is what allmusic says:
 

vanishing point - album reviews

This collaboration between avant-garde everyman Chris Cutler, ex-Tone Dogs vocalist Amy Denio, and experimental guitar player Wadi Gysi produced only this one album, but what an album. Denio leads the album with her wild three-octave-range vocals and dexterous accordion and sax playing, while Cutler and Gysi alternately construct tight, intimate spaces for the sound or wide panoramas. There's also a sense of humor at work; "Opening" and "Qu'est Que Tu Fais?" recreate the atmosphere of a stadium rock concert for the intro and outro of the kind of music that would never receive such an ovation. "Crystal Palace," while again demonstrating Cutler's politically insightful lyrics, plays a rollicking good tune. The highlight, for musicality and Denio's voice, could be "O Pastor," a cover of a song by Madredeus, a dynamic rush of up-tempo music over which Denio's voice hovers like some apparition. A rich and rewarding album. ~ Ted Mills, All Music Guide
 
 
 
Here is a little info about Amy Denio who is a member of this group as well as a composer and a multi-instrumentalist (sax and accordion).
 

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Amy Denio (b. June 9, 1961) is a Seattle (USA)-based multi-instrumental avant-garde jazz musician and composer. She is probably best known as an accordionist and saxophone-player. Among her current musical involvements are Kultur Shock (drawing heavily on Balkan music) and the all-female The Billy Tipton Memorial Saxophone Quartet. She has also collaborated repeatedly with the Pat Graney Dance Company.

Her first recordings were in the early 1980s with the Entropics. Since then, she has performed with (among others) Francisco Lopez, Danny Barnes, the Tone Dogs, the aforementioned Billy Tiptons, Pale Nudes, Blowhole, the Danubians, Chris Cutler, Guy Klucevsek, Pauline Oliveros, Relâche, Curlew, Matt Cameron, Hoppy Kamiyama, Derek Bailey, and the Shaking Ray Levis.

During the 1980s, Denio had a day job at Muzak.

 
A link to her site:
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 31 2006 at 17:56
Hi fellas,
 
Another band I listened to today thanks to joren is the Cuneiform band ahleuchatistas. (Joren has added them to the Avant list).
 
 
Here is what it is said about them and their album on their artist page on Cuneiform.com:
 
Third and best yet from this amazing instrumental, post-Beefheart, avant-technical, improv-core, math-metal, art-damage, punk-rock power trio from Asheville, NC. Using the simple and classic skeleton of guitar, bass and drums, these three make powerful music that is undeniably 'rock' but is also undeniably much wider in musical influences than what one would imagine in such rock-based work. For example, the opening song is Remember Rumsfeld at Abu Ghraib; of course we all know what that title is in reference to, but, huge Charles Mingus fan that I am, I also immediately caught the reference to Charles' great work, Remember Rockefeller at Attica, which is not a reference I would expect from a rock band. But then, these guys are the most technically adept 'punk' band you will ever hear; they have chops growing on their chops, so surprises are to be expected! The playing from everyone is beyond powerful and while the term "Beefheartian" gets bandied about way too much, the complexity and directness of the playing here really does bear some comparisons. Their music has been developed over playing tons of shows and the sound on the CD reflects this with a very well recorded, but not so "produced", live feeling sound. If they come to your town, go see them. Having said that, if you can't see them live, this CD comes with 3 short, nicely shot QuickTime movies which you can watch on your Mac or PC, so you can see just what you are missing.

This Asheville, North Carolina-based power trio's quirky cross between new music composition and raw punk energy will have the self-appointed genre limiters scratching their heads for the rest of the year. The rest of us can just enjoy it and hope there'll be more in the not-too-distant future." - New Music Box

 
I think you will find this more than satisfying to our avantgarde taste.
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 31 2006 at 18:10
Originally posted by oddentity oddentity wrote:

Black Velvet,

Quote For me Canberra is the place I called home but unforunately for the mean time I am living in Sydney Ouch 

Do you have any interesting music stores down there?    There is an avant-garde section in Rocking Horse here in Brisbane, with a sprinkling of Cuneiform stuff, but that's just about it.    Other than that, it's a desert.  
 
What about bands?   Any RIO acts lurking in Sydney?
 
Actually we do have a very nice CD store down here in Sydney. I don't know if you have heard of Red Eye Records, but they are a very commendable source from my music. Especially when I have looking for material from the Japanese scene, which is interesting me at the moment. Here is the website for the store.
 
 
Have a browse through the genres, there is some nice stuff hiding in the electronic/Ambient section along side the Avant-garde section. Then in the Rock and pop section you will find many Kraut and Canterbury bands such as Soft Machine, Khan, Egg, Amon Duul II, This Heat. Plus some of the Symphonic acts.
 
As for bands I don't know of any hailing from the RIO side of things unforunately. We have a few ok Noise bands but I have not found a huge Avant scene, though I do intend on looking more thoroughly. And the factor Wolf Eyes can out here not that long ago! How about up in Brisbane are they any bands of this note around you area ?
 
Thanks for that Assaf, a nice post indeed. I have been meaning to check out The (ec) Nudes. Now I know they are worth my while I might give this is a little more thought.
 
Anyway here is a record I have been listening to over the last few days. This one goes out to the Avant-noise fans out there.
 
The band in question is the Japanese band Nord, gracing us with their ST album from 1981. As you can see this is rather early on in the noise scene. I have heard them sited as a percuilar cross between Early Kluster and Throbbing Grissle.
 
 
 
 
 
Here is a little information about the band:
 
 
An obscure experimental group formed in 1980 by Satoshi Katayama and
Hiroshi Oikawa. Together they released one album, 'Nord #1' [Pinakotheca
Records, 1981] in a limited edition of 300 copies. The Soundohm website says
"side one is meditative, with repetitive electronic loops. Second long side is a
terrific noisy space drone". They went their separate ways in 1982, but both
continued to perform individually as Nord. Oikawa recorded again with his
newly-formed label, LSD Records. This Nord released 'LSD' [LSD Records, 1984] in
a limited edition of 200 copies, which has been described on the Soundohm
website as a "beautiful electronic/psychedelic soundtrip"; and '3/Ego Trip' [LSD
Records] in a limited edition of 100. There are also three live cassettes on the
ZSF label, featuring Nord/Oikawa with Merzbow and [on one tape] K.K. Null of
Zeni Geva [see below]. Katayama also issued a cassette as Nord - 'Live Materials
1980-1993' [Vanilla Records, 1994] - in a limited edition of 150 copies.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 31 2006 at 18:47
Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

Hi fellas,
 
Another band I listened to today thanks to joren is the Cuneiform band ahleuchatistas. (Joren has added them to the Avant list).
 


Thanks to Bryan, really. He told me about them. Then again, someone else told him. Wink

They sound quite a bit like Massacre if you ask me... so it's a clear case of "let 'em in!"


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 31 2006 at 23:56
Originally posted by Joren Joren wrote:

Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

Hi fellas,
 
Another band I listened to today thanks to joren is the Cuneiform band ahleuchatistas. (Joren has added them to the Avant list).
 


Thanks to Bryan, really. He told me about them. Then again, someone else told him. Wink

They sound quite a bit like Massacre if you ask me... so it's a clear case of "let 'em in!"
 
I agree. I voted "yes".
 
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Any news on OOIOO inclusion yet? Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 01 2006 at 06:57
Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

Any news on OOIOO inclusion yet? Wink


They need one more vote. Thumbs Up But it's likely that you'll see the addition of Boredoms, Naked City, Painkiller, Smegma, Massacre and Fred Frith before OOIOO.

Patience... Wink


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 01 2006 at 06:58
On another note: I listened to the Flying Luttenbachers last night. Coolies.
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Originally posted by Joren Joren wrote:

Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

Any news on OOIOO inclusion yet? Wink


They need one more vote. Thumbs Up But it's likely that you'll see the addition of Boredoms, Naked City, Painkiller, Smegma, Massacre and Fred Frith before OOIOO.

Patience... Wink


I wish I was a collab, I'd soon make that extra vote! WinkLOLEmbarrassed

Thanks for the note, I look forward to seeing them here.  If the Boredoms are being added, it goes without saying that OOIOO should too!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 01 2006 at 07:48
Originally posted by Joren Joren wrote:

Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

Any news on OOIOO inclusion yet? Wink


They need one more vote. Thumbs Up But it's likely that you'll see the addition of Boredoms, Naked City, Painkiller, Smegma, Massacre and Fred Frith before OOIOO.

Patience... Wink
 
Well they've now got my vote. Feather Float has been on my walkman pretty much non stop for the last few weeks - glorious stuff!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 01 2006 at 08:15
Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

Hi fellas,
 
Another band I listened to today thanks to joren is the Cuneiform band ahleuchatistas. (Joren has added them to the Avant list).
 
 
Here is what it is said about them and their album on their artist page on Cuneiform.com:
 
Third and best yet from this amazing instrumental, post-Beefheart, avant-technical, improv-core, math-metal, art-damage, punk-rock power trio from Asheville, NC. Using the simple and classic skeleton of guitar, bass and drums, these three make powerful music that is undeniably 'rock' but is also undeniably much wider in musical influences than what one would imagine in such rock-based work. For example, the opening song is Remember Rumsfeld at Abu Ghraib; of course we all know what that title is in reference to, but, huge Charles Mingus fan that I am, I also immediately caught the reference to Charles' great work, Remember Rockefeller at Attica, which is not a reference I would expect from a rock band. But then, these guys are the most technically adept 'punk' band you will ever hear; they have chops growing on their chops, so surprises are to be expected! The playing from everyone is beyond powerful and while the term "Beefheartian" gets bandied about way too much, the complexity and directness of the playing here really does bear some comparisons. Their music has been developed over playing tons of shows and the sound on the CD reflects this with a very well recorded, but not so "produced", live feeling sound. If they come to your town, go see them. Having said that, if you can't see them live, this CD comes with 3 short, nicely shot QuickTime movies which you can watch on your Mac or PC, so you can see just what you are missing.

This Asheville, North Carolina-based power trio's quirky cross between new music composition and raw punk energy will have the self-appointed genre limiters scratching their heads for the rest of the year. The rest of us can just enjoy it and hope there'll be more in the not-too-distant future." - New Music Box

 
I think you will find this more than satisfying to our avantgarde taste.
 
 
 
The clips on myspace and Cuneiform are brilliant - another one to add to my ever expanding wish list.
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Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

Hi fellas,
 
Another band I listened to today thanks to joren is the Cuneiform band ahleuchatistas. (Joren has added them to the Avant list).
 
 
Here is what it is said about them and their album on their artist page on Cuneiform.com:
 
Third and best yet from this amazing instrumental, post-Beefheart, avant-technical, improv-core, math-metal, art-damage, punk-rock power trio from Asheville, NC. Using the simple and classic skeleton of guitar, bass and drums, these three make powerful music that is undeniably 'rock' but is also undeniably much wider in musical influences than what one would imagine in such rock-based work. For example, the opening song is Remember Rumsfeld at Abu Ghraib; of course we all know what that title is in reference to, but, huge Charles Mingus fan that I am, I also immediately caught the reference to Charles' great work, Remember Rockefeller at Attica, which is not a reference I would expect from a rock band. But then, these guys are the most technically adept 'punk' band you will ever hear; they have chops growing on their chops, so surprises are to be expected! The playing from everyone is beyond powerful and while the term "Beefheartian" gets bandied about way too much, the complexity and directness of the playing here really does bear some comparisons. Their music has been developed over playing tons of shows and the sound on the CD reflects this with a very well recorded, but not so "produced", live feeling sound. If they come to your town, go see them. Having said that, if you can't see them live, this CD comes with 3 short, nicely shot QuickTime movies which you can watch on your Mac or PC, so you can see just what you are missing.

This Asheville, North Carolina-based power trio's quirky cross between new music composition and raw punk energy will have the self-appointed genre limiters scratching their heads for the rest of the year. The rest of us can just enjoy it and hope there'll be more in the not-too-distant future." - New Music Box

 
I think you will find this more than satisfying to our avantgarde taste.
 
 
 
The clips on myspace and Cuneiform are brilliant - another one to add to my ever expanding wish list.


I just added Yowie to the chart; Jimbo recommended them. There's a song on their website and I think you'll like it as well... one more for the list? Wink


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I also still have The Flying Luttenbachers to listen to, I'll let my thoughts known when I have.
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Like Chris, The Flying Luttenbachers have become a favourite listen for lately. Excellent music.

Like the Ahleuchatistas (I really liked the song I heard on myspace), there are some other promising bands on the Cuneiform artists list: http://www.cuneiformrecords.com/artists.html

One such band is Otolithen, who's album I purchased now (4$ !) and when it gets here, I will post what I think of it.
 

Doctor Nerve was also mentioned in this thread before, and I will purchase their two-in-one cd soon, but I reckon they are also worthy of addition here. 

This is what is  said on their two first album, which are on one cd - ARMED OBSERVATION / OUT TO BOMB FRESH KINGS

These are the first two albums, complete on one CD, that cemented Nerve's reputation as one of New York City's most fast 'n' furious bands. The first album is somewhat more in the vein of the early 80's punk/jazz scene (Massacre, Material) than later work, and with embryonic versions of the lineup, but it still smokes. Armed Observation was their second, and the definitive Nerve sound is beginning to be cemented into place. Hot NYC downtown fusion. Get it while you can!
 
And this is what is said on what is supoosed to be their grand opus - SKIN
On Skin, Nerve finds the unlikely meeting ground between heavy metal, thrashcore and artrock. The densest, heaviest, most intricately composed music you could ever imagine!
 
 
 
I also noticed this musician being mentioned: RICH WOODSON'S ELLIPSIS and this is what is said there (sound interesting):
Rich Woodson is a self-taught composer and guitarist who grew up on hard rock and heavy metal in Nashville, TN and San Antonio and Austin, TX. His major musical influences are Tim Berne, Frank Zappa, Watchtower (the 1980's Austin metal band, who invented the "technical metal" subgenre) and composer Charles Wuorinen. This debut CD is a bold and brilliant synthesis of RIO progressive rock, modern jazz and contemporary composition. A quintet using the simple instrumentation of tenor sax, soprano sax, guitar, acoustic bass & drums, there is simply so much musical information going on here that I am sometimes reminded of the first time I heard Trout Mask Replica. It didn’t really sound like they were playing together, but subsequent playings revealed all of the hidden treasure of that album, like it will reveal the treasures here.
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 01 2006 at 12:44
Assaf, I was tempted to buy an album from Wayside for $4, by Forever Einstein, but they had no information about them, so I didn't... can you enlighten me as to their sound?

I also came across some space rock band from Hungary today on eBay... apparently their influenced by Amon Duul (the first band) and Hawkwind... I know they're probably not Avant-prog or RIO, but I was just curious... let me find out what they were called again!

Vágtázó Halottkémek

The album in question is Hammering on the Gates of Nothingness, their second album from 1992.

They have their albums listed on Rate Your Music.

I'm just curious if anyone is remotely familiar with them?


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