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^ Otautau! What kind of business takes you to Otautau? 😄
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^Then it must have been VERY good beer. LOL
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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Sometimes I wish I was into this beer stuff more......Never was a big beer or alcohol guy, I have not a clue what all the jargon means. All I know is I tried a beer that was really dark colored and I about puked my innards, hideous tasting.....Dead

I can only drink beer that is very pale in color and that does not measure an 11 in bitter taste scale of 1-10. LOL

You’d quite possibly like some more UK-style beers. Definitely a lot of US brewers tend to focus on the hops and bitterness, and there are a fair few beers out there measuring at least 11 on a scale of 1-10.

But regardless of where you are drinking, there is an enormous difference in flavour profiles both between the various types of beer, and even within them. That difference is even greater when seen between geographic regions. Generally speaking, for example, I don’t particularly like UK brown ales, but I almost always love Belgian brown ales.


And to add to this, I cannot abide stouts or porters, the really dark ales. Guinness disagrees with just about every cell in my body. I will drink Newcastle Brown Ale if there is nothing else on tap, only the utterly undrinkable and disgusting keg creamflow processed bitters.

I love stouts and porters, but not Guinness. But then again, the Guinness you get in bars is nothing like any stout you’d get from a real ale brewer. Like the creamflow bitters, it has nitrogen added (to give it the creamflow), and it just tastes….meh. Newky brown disagrees with me as much as Guinness does with you. It’s the most horrendous example of a brown ale, and almost put me off the style entirely.

Probably because of what I grew up drinking, some of my favourite beers are UK ales brewed with NZ hop varieties, giving me flavours of the beers of both countries. Shepherd Neame makes some really nice beers using NZ hops, and one of them tastes very similar to one of my favourite NZ beers.

But really, I am no great connoisseur. I like loads of different beers from loads of different breweries across the country. So long as they don’t experiment too much with flavour (I don’t need a hazy ipa flavoured with guava, thank you very much), I tend to find some degree of enjoyment. What I do find frustrating, is when one brewery is bought up by another. My most local big brewer, Greene King, is the worst for this. As much as they might claim that the taste is the same, it never is. GK make some alright beers, and some of the beers they brew under the name of the breweries they’ve taken over aren’t too dissimilar - but there are some beers I really enjoyed before they became GK, that really don’t taste the same at all now.

I could not for the life of me remember what it was, but I did enjoy some beer I had while in NZ, this was many years ago. Business trip for 2 weeks, the bulk on the south island in Blenheim, also in Otautau......I don't remember what it was though. Confused
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Finally got a chance to peruse the Blog Steve, looks fantastic!.
My only question is...when are you going to resurrect your Birthday of the Day write-ups?
They were so good, I really miss them. I have a particular interest as the month of May approaches. Wink
You could rename one of your pages Beer, News and You's. Big smile


Ha! Thanks JD. Yes, I used to enjoy those birthday fun write ups. I couldn’t do one every day, but certainly one per week would be good. I will certainly cast an eye on the merry month of May Tongue
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Finally got a chance to peruse the Blog Steve, looks fantastic!.
My only question is...when are you going to resurrect your Birthday of the Day write-ups?
They were so good, I really miss them. I have a particular interest as the month of May approaches. Wink
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Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Steve, I enjoyed the VM&J review. While not strictly prog, I enjoyed your take on this outside genre and it got me interested. Any chance of you doing a few non prog reviews in future. I'd love to read your take on an artist like Saxon. Wink


Thanks Steve. In fact, it was the VM&J album which got me to set up the website in the first place. I had another of my occasional contretemps with PA Admin over them refusing to add them to the site. One of the great and the good suggested very kindly that I take my reviewing business elsewhere if I wanted to review them. So I did. He did me a huge favour by doing so, and I am extremely grateful because my site runs by my rules and is done my way. I answer to nobody barring the wife and the dog!

There most certainly will be non-prog reviews going forward, and funnily enough Saxon will be one of them, hopefully at the weekend. I am off work this week which means that I actually have less time to listen to music than usual - chores, gardening & etc. and I also have a couple of albums to listen to that Nick very kindly alerted me to.

Basically, the site is my vehicle to do what I want. Whilst I adore my prog, it is not the only genre or show in town.
I surmised that there was dissension in the ranks, but not this extent. Bully for you for striking out on your own.
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Steve, I enjoyed the VM&J review. While not strictly prog, I enjoyed your take on this outside genre and it got me interested. Any chance of you doing a few non prog reviews in future. I'd love to read your take on an artist like Saxon. Wink

Thanks Steve. In fact, it was the VM&J album which got me to set up the website in the first place. I had another of my occasional contretemps with PA Admin over them refusing to add them to the site. One of the great and the good suggested very kindly that I take my reviewing business elsewhere if I wanted to review them. So I did. He did me a huge favour by doing so, and I am extremely grateful because my site runs by my rules and is done my way. I answer to nobody barring the wife and the dog!

There most certainly will be non-prog reviews going forward, and funnily enough Saxon will be one of them, hopefully at the weekend. I am off work this week which means that I actually have less time to listen to music than usual - chores, gardening & etc. and I also have a couple of albums to listen to that Nick very kindly alerted me to.

Basically, the site is my vehicle to do what I want. Whilst I adore my prog, it is not the only genre or show in town.
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Steve, I enjoyed the VM&J review. While not strictly prog, I enjoyed your take on this outside genre and it got me interested. Any chance of you doing a few non prog reviews in future. I'd love to read your take on an artist like Saxon. Wink
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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Sometimes I wish I was into this beer stuff more......Never was a big beer or alcohol guy, I have not a clue what all the jargon means. All I know is I tried a beer that was really dark colored and I about puked my innards, hideous tasting.....Dead

I can only drink beer that is very pale in color and that does not measure an 11 in bitter taste scale of 1-10. LOL

You’d quite possibly like some more UK-style beers. Definitely a lot of US brewers tend to focus on the hops and bitterness, and there are a fair few beers out there measuring at least 11 on a scale of 1-10.

But regardless of where you are drinking, there is an enormous difference in flavour profiles both between the various types of beer, and even within them. That difference is even greater when seen between geographic regions. Generally speaking, for example, I don’t particularly like UK brown ales, but I almost always love Belgian brown ales.


And to add to this, I cannot abide stouts or porters, the really dark ales. Guinness disagrees with just about every cell in my body. I will drink Newcastle Brown Ale if there is nothing else on tap, only the utterly undrinkable and disgusting keg creamflow processed bitters.

I love stouts and porters, but not Guinness. But then again, the Guinness you get in bars is nothing like any stout you’d get from a real ale brewer. Like the creamflow bitters, it has nitrogen added (to give it the creamflow), and it just tastes….meh. Newky brown disagrees with me as much as Guinness does with you. It’s the most horrendous example of a brown ale, and almost put me off the style entirely.

Probably because of what I grew up drinking, some of my favourite beers are UK ales brewed with NZ hop varieties, giving me flavours of the beers of both countries. Shepherd Neame makes some really nice beers using NZ hops, and one of them tastes very similar to one of my favourite NZ beers.

But really, I am no great connoisseur. I like loads of different beers from loads of different breweries across the country. So long as they don’t experiment too much with flavour (I don’t need a hazy ipa flavoured with guava, thank you very much), I tend to find some degree of enjoyment. What I do find frustrating, is when one brewery is bought up by another. My most local big brewer, Greene King, is the worst for this. As much as they might claim that the taste is the same, it never is. GK make some alright beers, and some of the beers they brew under the name of the breweries they’ve taken over aren’t too dissimilar - but there are some beers I really enjoyed before they became GK, that really don’t taste the same at all now.


Yes, Bass has not been the same since it was taken over by Marstons. 

Re Shepherd Neame, the only one we see around here is Spitfire, which I have always liked. We did have a holiday in Kent a few years ago and sampled some different brews from them which were great.

With regard to nitrogen infested sh*te,absolutely. In fact, this will be the only question I will ask of politicians who come to m6 door grubbing for my vote in future - when will you ban this awful crap? Dead
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Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Sometimes I wish I was into this beer stuff more......Never was a big beer or alcohol guy, I have not a clue what all the jargon means. All I know is I tried a beer that was really dark colored and I about puked my innards, hideous tasting.....Dead

I can only drink beer that is very pale in color and that does not measure an 11 in bitter taste scale of 1-10. LOL

You’d quite possibly like some more UK-style beers. Definitely a lot of US brewers tend to focus on the hops and bitterness, and there are a fair few beers out there measuring at least 11 on a scale of 1-10.

But regardless of where you are drinking, there is an enormous difference in flavour profiles both between the various types of beer, and even within them. That difference is even greater when seen between geographic regions. Generally speaking, for example, I don’t particularly like UK brown ales, but I almost always love Belgian brown ales.


And to add to this, I cannot abide stouts or porters, the really dark ales. Guinness disagrees with just about every cell in my body. I will drink Newcastle Brown Ale if there is nothing else on tap, only the utterly undrinkable and disgusting keg creamflow processed bitters.

I love stouts and porters, but not Guinness. But then again, the Guinness you get in bars is nothing like any stout you’d get from a real ale brewer. Like the creamflow bitters, it has nitrogen added (to give it the creamflow), and it just tastes….meh. Newky brown disagrees with me as much as Guinness does with you. It’s the most horrendous example of a brown ale, and almost put me off the style entirely.

Probably because of what I grew up drinking, some of my favourite beers are UK ales brewed with NZ hop varieties, giving me flavours of the beers of both countries. Shepherd Neame makes some really nice beers using NZ hops, and one of them tastes very similar to one of my favourite NZ beers.

But really, I am no great connoisseur. I like loads of different beers from loads of different breweries across the country. So long as they don’t experiment too much with flavour (I don’t need a hazy ipa flavoured with guava, thank you very much), I tend to find some degree of enjoyment. What I do find frustrating, is when one brewery is bought up by another. My most local big brewer, Greene King, is the worst for this. As much as they might claim that the taste is the same, it never is. GK make some alright beers, and some of the beers they brew under the name of the breweries they’ve taken over aren’t too dissimilar - but there are some beers I really enjoyed before they became GK, that really don’t taste the same at all now.

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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Sometimes I wish I was into this beer stuff more......Never was a big beer or alcohol guy, I have not a clue what all the jargon means. All I know is I tried a beer that was really dark colored and I about puked my innards, hideous tasting.....Dead

I can only drink beer that is very pale in color and that does not measure an 11 in bitter taste scale of 1-10. LOL

You’d quite possibly like some more UK-style beers. Definitely a lot of US brewers tend to focus on the hops and bitterness, and there are a fair few beers out there measuring at least 11 on a scale of 1-10.

But regardless of where you are drinking, there is an enormous difference in flavour profiles both between the various types of beer, and even within them. That difference is even greater when seen between geographic regions. Generally speaking, for example, I don’t particularly like UK brown ales, but I almost always love Belgian brown ales.


And to add to this, I cannot abide stouts or porters, the really dark ales. Guinness disagrees with just about every cell in my body. I will drink Newcastle Brown Ale if there is nothing else on tap, only the utterly undrinkable and disgusting keg creamflow processed bitters.
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Sometimes I wish I was into this beer stuff more......Never was a big beer or alcohol guy, I have not a clue what all the jargon means. All I know is I tried a beer that was really dark colored and I about puked my innards, hideous tasting.....Dead

I can only drink beer that is very pale in color and that does not measure an 11 in bitter taste scale of 1-10. LOL

You’d quite possibly like some more UK-style beers. Definitely a lot of US brewers tend to focus on the hops and bitterness, and there are a fair few beers out there measuring at least 11 on a scale of 1-10.

But regardless of where you are drinking, there is an enormous difference in flavour profiles both between the various types of beer, and even within them. That difference is even greater when seen between geographic regions. Generally speaking, for example, I don’t particularly like UK brown ales, but I almost always love Belgian brown ales.

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Sometimes I wish I was into this beer stuff more......Never was a big beer or alcohol guy, I have not a clue what all the jargon means. All I know is I tried a beer that was really dark colored and I about puked my innards, hideous tasting.....Dead

I can only drink beer that is very pale in color and that does not measure an 11 in bitter taste scale of 1-10. LOL
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Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

I will be asking the missus to keep copious notes in case I become incapable of doing so! LOL

Can't help feeling you've got a good one there, Steve! 

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Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

I will be asking the missus to keep copious notes in case I become incapable of doing so! LOL

Can't help feeling you've got a good one there, Steve! 
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

More primo stuff, Steve. Your blog has a become an early morning favorite!

Thanks Steve, very much.

I think you will enjoy later this week my report of our”taproom takeover” by the founder of Evan Evans brewery. This was supposed to be last week, but somebody cocked up the beer delivery. Anyhow, we will be sampling five ales. I will be asking the missus to keep copious notes in case I become incapable of doing so! LOL
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More primo stuff, Steve. Your blog has a become an early morning favorite!
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Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Wonderful stuff so far Steve, and I'm really enjoying all aspects of it. Especially the ale house expos, which has me pining for old Blighty in order to get a decent pint. This American piss doesn't cut it for me anymore, which is why I've turned to hard spirits. Well, that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it. Cheers.
Generally I think European beer is far better than US, but recently two US beers came out that are not too bad. They are both dark winter time brews.
Breakfast Stout by Founders and
Dragons Milk by New Belgium
Not quite European standards, but still very good.
This is hooey. There are plenty of craft brewers in The States that have better beer than Europe/UK. Founders brewery was mentioned - try the KBS series. WinkGreat Divide brewery is superb. Granted, you won't get the charm and smells that an old ale house provide, but most of the craft beer I partake in is excellent.

BTW, cool website. 
Don't take me too seriously. I just needed an excuse to switch to Irish whiskey. Wink

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