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Points: 24429 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2008 at 04:17
I agree with Steve. Though it's not easy to point out really 'horrifically bad' prog albums (as I said in an earlier post, I tend to agree with Jimbo's point of view that boring is much worse than actually bad), I am afraid some posters here confuse 'bad' with something they dislike. For instance, I have never been able to get into Dream Theater, but I'd never bring any of their albums as examples of bad prog.
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Points: 4202 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2008 at 04:30
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

U Totem still was more revelatory for me than 5UU's and Motor Totemist Guild.


U Totem's selftitled is fantastic and so is MTG's City of Mirrors, but the other albums I've heard by these two bands have been mildly disappointing.
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Points: 28057 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 30 2008 at 12:01
Originally posted by fandango fandango wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

(Ladies &..Ermm) Gentlemen, let me present:

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=3718
 
Stoney, it only has a 1.62 rating because you gave it a 1 star rating as a Prog Reviewer...LOL
 
3 other forum members rated the album, one saying its a masterpiece, and the other two labelling it 'Good but non-essential'.  Although I've never heard the album, don't you think you were being a trifle harsh??Wink


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It's not "kill me now" bad. It's "give me one good reason why I would listen to this" bad.
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Points: 66587 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 30 2008 at 12:20
Hmm.  I actually have that Sinister Street album.  I think that I won it for less than a $1 in an eBay auction.  I'll have to pull it out and give it some listens to see what kind of review I might come up with.  I don't recall it being a 1 star album, but it also isn't all that memorable, so probably at best in would be a 3 star.
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Only one album come to my mind. I've heard loads of albums I though were fairly boring, but few that I really thought of as bad. Anyway, the band in question was called Tyburn Tall, and so was their album. German, I think, but I'm not sure. Some obscure 70's group anyway. Words cannot describe this album, the only way to understand how bad it is is to hear it (to my surprise I encountered a CD-reissue a while ago!)
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Points: 7971 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 30 2008 at 17:55
Originally posted by Drew Drew wrote:

Originally posted by Hawkwise Hawkwise wrote:

anything by Kansas  ............................................ runs away laffing,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, hides behind the sofa.......... chuckling like a loon   
 
I say the same thing about Gentle Giant


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Points: 8543 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 30 2008 at 18:07

I don't know if I would say there are any horrifically bad progressive albums.  There are certainly albums and bands that are not to my taste, but that doesn't mean they're horrifically bad.  I've heard some prog that I thought wasn't the greatest thing I've ever heard in my life (usually because I either thought they were trying too hard or weren't trying hard enough), and might classify as bad, but not horrifically bad.  Oh, wait, there was In the Hot Seat by ELP, but then that really wasn't prog. 

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Points: 4659 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 30 2008 at 18:39
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

Originally posted by ClemofNazareth ClemofNazareth wrote:

Like Slartibartfast says, a lot of bad 'prog' albums are bad because they aren't really progressive, but instead resulted from legitimate artists losing their way over trends or money:  Love Beach, Big Generator, Jethro Tull's Under Wraps and Robert Fripp's League of Gentlemen being some of the more glaring examples.

As far as technically 'legitimate' prog - it's a little obscure, but the FInnish band Apollo's self-titled album is one of the worst pieces of toe jam I've ever heard.  And for some reason Warner actually felt the need to reissue it a few years back so an entire new generation could be turned off on prog music.   Read the reviews - there's  no point rehashing their insights here.

Under Wraps was Barre's favourite Tull album Wink. I'm sitting this thread out because..... well because.
 
Yeah, and Steve Walsh insists "In the Spirit of Things" is his favorite Kansas album too, but I'm no more sure that's because of its progressive nature than is Barre's reason for loving "Under Wraps".
 
And you're right - we should really know better than to get drawn into a discussion like this Embarrassed.
 
 
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Points: 18563 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 31 2008 at 02:15
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

Under Wraps was Barre's favourite Tull album Wink.



I'd comment on this...if only I could somehow find my way back into my chair!!!!!! Shocked
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Points: 1895 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 02 2008 at 10:51
Originally posted by russellk russellk wrote:

Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

I'm suprised people consider Sky to be prog rock, sounds like easy listening to me, and I don't mean cool lounge exotica type easy listening either.



Interesting viewpoint. Myself, I find SKY's first two albums to be quintessential prog, and very good to boot. What's not to like about Monkman's 'Where Opposites Attract'? Or 'Sahara', 'El Cielo', FIFO or 'Scipio' from Sky II? The production is lush and melodic, with absolutely no hard edges, so I suppose one might define that as 'easy listening', but those forst two albums are by no means 'rock classical' or 'muzak' as I've heard them described.

But it's good to hear differing opinions!


I too love the first two Sky albums... it's hard to know how to classify them as they were a prog/classical/AOR/easy listening cross-over combo.... it's interesting that they seemed to lose their progginess after the departure of Monkman.  Strange that.


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Points: 1895 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 02 2008 at 10:52
Oh yeah... maybe not strictly prog, but I find Roger Water's 'Pros and Cons' album to be pretty well unlistenable (i.e. awful).

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Points: 7053 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2008 at 03:35
Originally posted by Floydoid Floydoid wrote:

Oh yeah... maybe not strictly prog, but I find Roger Water's 'Pros and Cons' album to be pretty well unlistenable (i.e. awful).
 
 
Yeah, I agree. I love Floyd to termination but don't rate Pros and Cons at all. I remember buying it blind years ago expecting something awesome. Oh well, can't win 'em all.
 
I've tried to resist posting on this topic because any choice is down to personal taste, but as I'm here... my nomination  would be Topgraphic Oceans. No valid musical reason, it just sends me to sleep.
 
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As a Kansas fan which I am I`m going to create a badge to ware on my overalls or maybe on my straw hat  it shall say "I`m A Kansas Fan Kick me"     Wink
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Points: 1895 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2008 at 14:30
Originally posted by el dingo el dingo wrote:

Originally posted by Floydoid Floydoid wrote:

Oh yeah... maybe not strictly prog, but I find Roger Water's 'Pros and Cons' album to be pretty well unlistenable (i.e. awful).
 
 
Yeah, I agree. I love Floyd to termination but don't rate Pros and Cons at all. I remember buying it blind years ago expecting something awesome. Oh well, can't win 'em all.
 


I'm glad I'm not the only one - in the whole of the Floyd canon of group & solo albums, it's the only one I've totally disliked, but having said that I've never heard either of Nick's 'solo' efforts, nor 'Identity' by Rick Wright and Dave Harris.  Seeing that the latter has never had a CD release (to my knowledge), I'm not likely to be able to make a judgement on it.
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Anything by Dream Theater and its clones.
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Points: 1895 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 04 2008 at 12:21
Originally posted by Axe/Hatchet/Saw Axe/Hatchet/Saw wrote:

Anything by Dream Theater and its clones.


Well I think that might just sir up a little controversy.
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Points: 7971 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 04 2008 at 13:24
Originally posted by Floydoid Floydoid wrote:

Originally posted by Axe/Hatchet/Saw Axe/Hatchet/Saw wrote:

Anything by Dream Theater and its clones.


Well I think that might just sir up a little controversy.


you mean a lot of controversy, right?
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The Moody Blues "Octave" is pretty unbearable.

Agree completely regarding Roger Waters, Calling All Stations and Love Beach, although in regard to the former, I think "Radio KAOS" is even worse.  I'll have to find a copy of "In The Hot Seat", but I'm not expecting to disagree regarding that either.

We could start a bad covers thread too. My personal favorite (?Pinch) is Jeronimo Road's version of "Starship Trooper".  Enough cheese to block a sewer, which is what it reminds me of.
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Points: 24429 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 05 2008 at 03:50
Originally posted by Bitterblogger Bitterblogger wrote:

We could start a bad covers thread too. My personal favorite (?Pinch) is Jeronimo Road's version of "Starship Trooper".  Enough cheese to block a sewer, which is what it reminds me of.


I know the one you are referring to, featured on the Magna Carta Yes tribute (which is otherwise not bad - I have even reviewed it). If I am not wrong, it's a somewhat 'accelerated' version of the original.
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Points: 7053 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 05 2008 at 03:51
Originally posted by Bitterblogger Bitterblogger wrote:

The Moody Blues "Octave" is pretty unbearable.

Agree completely regarding Roger Waters, Calling All Stations and Love Beach, although in regard to the former, I think "Radio KAOS" is even worse.  I'll have to find a copy of "In The Hot Seat", but I'm not expecting to disagree regarding that either.

We could start a bad covers thread too. My personal favorite (?Pinch) is Jeronimo Road's version of "Starship Trooper".  Enough cheese to block a sewer, which is what it reminds me of.
 
Yeah, go for the bad (or good) covers thread, seems a good 'un!!! Start it off and I bet you'll get loads of interesting input. Just a couple to start off with (or in case you don't start the thread!):
 
BAD: Kentucky Woman (Deep Purple) tambourines and maraccas, oh please; The Rock 'n'Roll medley off Uriah Heep Live - gross; You Keep Me Hanging On (or whatever Motown track they murdered) by Vanilla Fudge - it just goes on and on and on. And on.  
 
GOOD: Every Little Thing (Yes) nice work Pete Banks; I Saw Her Standing There (Pink Fairies) as ragged as you'd expect and all the better for it; Black Sheep of the Family/Still I'm Sad off the first Rainbow offering - both awesome live, as I remember, too.
 
Go on, start the thread!!!
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