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Posted: March 18 2016 at 11:31
Davesax1965 wrote:
Just for those who are uncertain as to whether or not Buggles were of any musical worth whatsoever.... Ladies and gentlemen, I present what was most likely the point that proper music died. ;-)
Tom, you cannot be serious. ;-)
It's certainly not the worst 80's Pop track I heard.
Just for those who are uncertain as to whether or not Buggles were of any musical worth whatsoever.... Ladies and gentlemen, I present what was most likely the point that proper music died. ;-)
Tom, you cannot be serious. ;-)
I have always liked men wearing proper suits and shoes. Very ī60īs actually, manly. Quite cool, I was afraid it would have been something corny. Rock look but kidsī music. Nice try boys.
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Posted: March 18 2016 at 11:44
Meltdowner wrote:
Davesax1965 wrote:
Just for those who are uncertain as to whether or not Buggles were of any musical worth whatsoever.... Ladies and gentlemen, I present what was most likely the point that proper music died. ;-)
Tom, you cannot be serious. ;-)
It's certainly not the worst 80's Pop track I heard.
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Posted: March 18 2016 at 11:46
Son.of.Tiresias wrote:
Davesax1965 wrote:
The best way, I think, to understand Buggles is to understand that they're rubbish, and then ignore them from there. I cannot pollute my mind with such twaddle. ;-)
There are tons of equipment lists for early Yes - basically, we know Steve Howe's main guitar was a Gibson ES 175. Chris Squier used a Rickenbacker 4001 bass (or was it a 4000 ? ) - anyway, he got the mono version, rewired it to stereo and played through two heads, I seem to recall. Rick Wakeman used a variety of keyboards and synths, but he's most famous for using a Minimoog and a Mellotron.
Not that you can ever recreate the sound, even using the same vintage equipment. You could learn "The Star Spangled Banner" backwards, tap Jimi Hendrix on the shoulder at Woodstock, take the guitar off him half way through........ and you still wouldn't sound like him. ;-)
Yes yes... I understand all this, its very difficult to get the very same sound out again. Did the Yes men use any digital equipment recording "Going for the One" and "Tormato", anywhere in the way from gear to recording desk ? This is very important as you understand as well.
I really shouldn't think so. Tormato is about 1978. Going for the one is 1977. Everything is analogue at that stage. ;-)
The best way, I think, to understand Buggles is to understand that they're rubbish, and then ignore them from there. I cannot pollute my mind with such twaddle. ;-)
There are tons of equipment lists for early Yes - basically, we know Steve Howe's main guitar was a Gibson ES 175. Chris Squier used a Rickenbacker 4001 bass (or was it a 4000 ? ) - anyway, he got the mono version, rewired it to stereo and played through two heads, I seem to recall. Rick Wakeman used a variety of keyboards and synths, but he's most famous for using a Minimoog and a Mellotron.
Not that you can ever recreate the sound, even using the same vintage equipment. You could learn "The Star Spangled Banner" backwards, tap Jimi Hendrix on the shoulder at Woodstock, take the guitar off him half way through........ and you still wouldn't sound like him. ;-)
Yes yes... I understand all this, its very difficult to get the very same sound out again. Did the Yes men use any digital equipment recording "Going for the One" and "Tormato", anywhere in the way from gear to recording desk ? This is very important as you understand as well.
I really shouldn't think so. Tormato is about 1978. Going for the one is 1977. Everything is analogue at that stage. ;-)
Are you sure ? Already in 1973 Robert Fripp uses a Frizzbox/VCS3 Synthesizer with digital Sequencer on "No Pussyfooting" with Brian Eno. Nice KC meets TD feel IMO. So nothing digital really with Yes 1976 - 78 ?
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Posted: March 18 2016 at 13:30
I enjoy Kraftwerk very much. I don't see chasing down all of their releases, though, nor wanting to see them live if they came around again (fat chance).
"It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno
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Posted: March 18 2016 at 14:58
Davesax1965 wrote:
Meltdowner wrote:
Davesax1965 wrote:
Just for those who are uncertain as to whether or not Buggles were of any musical worth whatsoever.... Ladies and gentlemen, I present what was most likely the point that proper music died. ;-)
Tom, you cannot be serious. ;-)
It's certainly not the worst 80's Pop track I heard.
True. Birdie Song. Reduces me to psychosis.
Well, most readers here know I am a fan of Kajagoogoo, this is no guilty pleasure. And I do like both Buggles albums. There's a lot more to their music than meets the ears. It sounds like lolly-music to most, but there is great musicianship and creativity going on. Even Todd Rundgren and Utopia put out, what most would call a slab of plastic crap with their 1984 album 'Oblivion'. Great album. Now, Kraftwerk had this New-Wave thing going when there was No-Wave. Check out the song Metropolis (full of inspired mini-moog leads and intensity). Or the stark Hall Of Mirrors. I can understand folks not liking this kind of stuff, but it has its worth. Perhaps I fried myself many years ago Bring on Meshuggah - go and listen to Paralyzing Ignorance..........
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Posted: March 18 2016 at 17:00
Rednight wrote:
I enjoy Kraftwerk very much. I don't see chasing down all of their releases, though, nor wanting to see them live if they came around again (fat chance).
I saw them in '98 at the Palladium on their first "comeback" tour after a years-long hiatus. It was a fun night, but I got the feeling (proven by many YT vids) that if you've "seen" them once...
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Posted: March 19 2016 at 23:57
^ Nice Love R&F and the debut, my favourites. The 2nd album is a little unexciting for me, then from Autobahn and onwards, the albums are decent, sometimes very good, Autobahn and TMM being the best of these. I don't know how they've been since Electric Cafe.
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Posted: March 20 2016 at 04:34
Son.of.Tiresias wrote:
Davesax1965 wrote:
Son.of.Tiresias wrote:
Davesax1965 wrote:
The best way, I think, to understand Buggles is to understand that they're rubbish, and then ignore them from there. I cannot pollute my mind with such twaddle. ;-)
There are tons of equipment lists for early Yes - basically, we know Steve Howe's main guitar was a Gibson ES 175. Chris Squier used a Rickenbacker 4001 bass (or was it a 4000 ? ) - anyway, he got the mono version, rewired it to stereo and played through two heads, I seem to recall. Rick Wakeman used a variety of keyboards and synths, but he's most famous for using a Minimoog and a Mellotron.
Not that you can ever recreate the sound, even using the same vintage equipment. You could learn "The Star Spangled Banner" backwards, tap Jimi Hendrix on the shoulder at Woodstock, take the guitar off him half way through........ and you still wouldn't sound like him. ;-)
Yes yes... I understand all this, its very difficult to get the very same sound out again. Did the Yes men use any digital equipment recording "Going for the One" and "Tormato", anywhere in the way from gear to recording desk ? This is very important as you understand as well.
I really shouldn't think so. Tormato is about 1978. Going for the one is 1977. Everything is analogue at that stage. ;-)
Are you sure ? Already in 1973 Robert Fripp uses a Frizzbox/VCS3 Synthesizer with digital Sequencer on "No Pussyfooting" with Brian Eno. Nice KC meets TD feel IMO. So nothing digital really with Yes 1976 - 78 ?
"Digital sequencer" just refers to the construction method of the sequencer. It's nothing to do with the audio. The sequencer I'm operating in the clip below has digital electronics. It outputs a variable voltage (so that part of it is analogue) which goes to a synth, in this case, a Moog Minitaur, which is analogue. The synth picks up the voltage and converts this to a note. The audio output from the synth goes to a valve preamp and then into a PC, where delay and flanging effects are added. Yes, there ARE some digital electronics in here, but the audio path is all analogue. The digital side is where an electronic output or input merely has to be ON or OFF. It would not make any sense to design what is essentially an electronic switch which could be ON OFF or INBETWEEN. ;-)
Matter of fact, even the oscilloscope in the clip is analogue. And valve based. I'm just passing the synth output through it to get an idea of what happens when you run square and sawtooth waves at once. ;-)
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Posted: March 20 2016 at 04:44
For the record ( ) - I don't think there was any digital 'trickery' utilised on those Yes albums. True 'digitalia' wasn't much of a rave until around 1980. This is to my limited knowledge.
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Posted: March 21 2016 at 03:29
Lewian wrote:
Complexity is overrated as an indicator of quality.
Complexity is nothing to do with quality. Neither is simplicity. In fact, it's a logical error to conflate either term.
Quality is to do with good music. In fact, even "quality" is no indicator of "good", if you've read any Robert Pirsig.
By "musically simplistic" I mean "I can't hear any ideas or musicianship" so therefore I don't like Kraftwerk. Personal choice. Music is art, not science, it comes down to personal choice and taste, or lack thereof.
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Davesax1965 wrote:
Love R&F and the debut, my favourites. The 2nd album is a little unexciting for me, then from Autobahn and onwards, the albums are decent, sometimes very good, Autobahn and TMM being the best of these. I don't know how they've been since Electric Cafe.
) - I don't think there was any digital 'trickery' utilised on those Yes albums. True 'digitalia' wasn't much of a rave until around 1980. This is to my limited knowledge.
