The Shred Room or The In-Betweeners Club

MovingPictures07 wrote: James wrote: MovingPictures07 wrote: Well, on a much better note, I also tried another CD today: First Utterance. To say the least, it was AMAZING. I'm surprised you like that... I mean... the vocals! Hymen hunter... That's not very Alexian. Oh, I absolutely loved it. I was expecting to hear a great album, but it was right up my alley. The instruments were awesome. The vocals were great too. I could see that album quickly climbing my preference list.

I need to listen to it more myself. I've only heard it twice so far but it was very impressive.

NaturalScience wrote: HughesJB4 wrote: NaturalScience wrote: MovingPictures07 wrote: Man, what the hell? I simply can't stand this anymore. Again, I love Meshuggah, Opeth, and others, but this is simply not working for me. I'll try it another day I suppose. That hardly ever happens where I have to stop an album like that. I can't even get into them.  Oh well. I couldn't get into Meshuggah for about 3 years if I must be honest. The first time I heard them, it was horrible. But obviously as you can see now, I'm really big on extreme metal, and 3 years later, I really began liking Meshuggah. So it may come to you later down the track, but don't force on yourself. Agreed.  I could certainly recognize the skill, though, Haake is freaking ridiculous.

Haake is an absolute monster, he makes Mike Portnoy look like a beginner.
Although, to be honest, I think Portnoy's skill is often rated too high for what it is anyway

Epignosis wrote: James wrote: Rob, I've sent you yet another e-mail; sorry! No need to be sorry.  As I am unemployed I don't mind keeping my mind sharp.

Oh I know mate but you have more important things to be doing that reading hackneyed dialogue and lots of run-on sentences.

MovingPictures07 wrote: NaturalScience wrote: HughesJB4 wrote: NaturalScience wrote: MovingPictures07 wrote: Man, what the hell? I simply can't stand this anymore. Again, I love Meshuggah, Opeth, and others, but this is simply not working for me. I'll try it another day I suppose. That hardly ever happens where I have to stop an album like that. I can't even get into them.  Oh well. I couldn't get into Meshuggah for about 3 years if I must be honest. The first time I heard them, it was horrible. But obviously as you can see now, I'm really big on extreme metal, and 3 years later, I really began liking Meshuggah. So it may come to you later down the track, but don't force on yourself. Agreed.  I could certainly recognize the skill, though, Haake is freaking ridiculous.  Haake is epic. Strangely enough, I got into Meshuggah right away. Opeth was the tough one for me, and BTBAM is proving tough too.

Weird.  Opeth was an easy sell for me, "The Drapery Falls" got me hooked, and I'll always remember hearing "Ghost Reveries" for the first time and having to pick my jaw up off the floor.

HughesJB4 wrote: James wrote: Could someone describe Batboom's sound to me? I like Opeth. I don't like Power Metal. I don't like the growls of screamo bands like Funeral for a Friend. Most metal does little for me. Most metal doesn't sound heavy to my ears. Pat may agree with me but I feel Guapo's Black Oni is heavier than many so-called metal bands. Umm James, screamo bands don't use growls though dude, it's called screams. Opeth is 'less metal' than BtBaM. BtBaM is more death metal, it also falls into the Tech Death category (and James, you have this pre conceived notion tech bands are about guitar solos, Tech Metal refers to all parts of the music being tech, and BtBaM's techncality comes from the drum work and rhythm guitars, they had a lot less guitar solos than Dream Theater, and even some Opeth songs have more soloing than BtBaM). You're not really into extreme metal though, so your mileage may vary, but BtBaM released the best album in metal in 2007 for me personally.

I realise that but it's not just their screams but the music that goes with screamo.

So are they closer to the growls of Agalloch then?  I quite like those.

And no, I do not have that preconception that technical means guitar solos.  Not at all.  Agalloch are technical in a way and they're not guitar-solo orientated.  Neither are Meshuggah.

Besides, I don't mind guitar solos if they're used in moderation and are generally more bluesy or jazzy; rather than w**ky.

MovingPictures07 wrote: Oh, I know; it's not an album to blast really loudly from my room if I don't want to disturb my parents. I did pay attention to the vocals though and they were really intriguing and fit perfectly. I just absolutely loved them and everything about the album. It was fantastic. The vocals fit the music as well as Gong's vocals fit Gong, really. Probably better.

Odd.

Hammill's vocals fir the music too.  Probably better.

NaturalScience wrote: MovingPictures07 wrote: NaturalScience wrote: HughesJB4 wrote: NaturalScience wrote: MovingPictures07 wrote: Man, what the hell? I simply can't stand this anymore. Again, I love Meshuggah, Opeth, and others, but this is simply not working for me. I'll try it another day I suppose. That hardly ever happens where I have to stop an album like that. I can't even get into them.  Oh well. I couldn't get into Meshuggah for about 3 years if I must be honest. The first time I heard them, it was horrible. But obviously as you can see now, I'm really big on extreme metal, and 3 years later, I really began liking Meshuggah. So it may come to you later down the track, but don't force on yourself. Agreed.  I could certainly recognize the skill, though, Haake is freaking ridiculous.  Haake is epic. Strangely enough, I got into Meshuggah right away. Opeth was the tough one for me, and BTBAM is proving tough too. Weird.  Opeth was an easy sell for me, "The Drapery Falls" got me hooked, and I'll always remember hearing "Ghost Reveries" for the first time and having to pick my jaw up off the floor.

I swear I probably heard 150 Opeth tracks before I finally was able to really get into them and start enjoying them alot. Before that, I couldn't finish an album without my mind wandering off or getting annoyed. First the vocals were a problem, but then also I had problems with the music because it usually came across as a wall of noise to me... too indistinguishable.

I'm having the same problem with BTBAM, it seems.

However, Ghost Reveries and then Watershed did the trick for me.

MovingPictures07 wrote: HughesJB4 wrote: NaturalScience wrote: HughesJB4 wrote: NaturalScience wrote: MovingPictures07 wrote: Man, what the hell? I simply can't stand this anymore. Again, I love Meshuggah, Opeth, and others, but this is simply not working for me. I'll try it another day I suppose. That hardly ever happens where I have to stop an album like that. I can't even get into them.  Oh well. I couldn't get into Meshuggah for about 3 years if I must be honest. The first time I heard them, it was horrible. But obviously as you can see now, I'm really big on extreme metal, and 3 years later, I really began liking Meshuggah. So it may come to you later down the track, but don't force on yourself. Agreed.  I could certainly recognize the skill, though, Haake is freaking ridiculous.  Haake is an absolute monster, he makes Mike Portnoy look like a beginner. Although, to be honest, I think Portnoy's skill is often rated too high for what it is anyway I feel you have to be a drummer to understand some aspects of Portnoy's fame. Sure, he's not my favorite and he isn't the greatest, but some of his techniques ARE really amazing. I absolutely love his earlier work with DT especially.

As I've told you before, the main problem with Portnoy is that he's gotten lazy over the last couple years. Petrucci on the other hand has at least progressed his technique, whereas Portnoy's stayed relatively the same on the last few albums.

James wrote: MovingPictures07 wrote: Oh, I know; it's not an album to blast really loudly from my room if I don't want to disturb my parents. I did pay attention to the vocals though and they were really intriguing and fit perfectly. I just absolutely loved them and everything about the album. It was fantastic. The vocals fit the music as well as Gong's vocals fit Gong, really. Probably better. Odd. Hammill's vocals fir the music too.  Probably better.

But the music SUCKS.

I am so glad I'm not Patrick or Rob.

I have 24 bottles of Grolsch in the kitchen meant for Christmas... if Patrick or Rob were here, they'd be gone in a day.