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Ricochet

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Posted: January 21 2009 at 15:23

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No, Camel should be moved to Yawn prog. Wink

Harbour Of Tears, at least. Sleepy

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Posted: January 21 2009 at 15:23

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The Next Rush Prog: This does not include Rush themselves. Key features of the subgenre includes being mistakenly labeled as "the next Rush" in at least 3 reviews in Rolling Stone and on ProgArchives multiple times.

Key Artists:
Tiles
Pavlov's Dog
Coheed & Cambria
Mars Volta

Add Torman Maxt, then we're sorted.

Torman Maxt Prog: Piss off reviewers and the progressive community

Key Artists:
Torman Maxt
Pendragon ( Shocked

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Posted: January 21 2009 at 15:24

NaturalScience wrote:

No, Camel should be moved to Yawn prog. Wink

You must mean Post Rock! Much better name, IMO Evil Smile

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Posted: January 21 2009 at 15:25

One-man torture prog: Take one man, lots of keyboards, and stupid musical ideas. Make 3 albums every year.

Key artist:
Heartscore

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Posted: January 21 2009 at 15:26

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But in the end, I think it's a good idea and will be the best for the site. RIO is as important and influential as Canterbury and Zeuhl, which are represented with their own genres.

I'm curious what you consider to be RIO rather than Avant influenced other than chamber prog. Not that I doubt you, but I have no idea myself.

Oh, I'll have to go through the list, but a band like U Totem, for example, is clearly RIO influenced.

Anything that has heavy influence from Henry Cow or SMM (ignoring, as you said, all the chamber prog groups, of which there are a good many).

Oh yeah, I forgot about the U Totem/5uus circuit.

What would Henry Cow and SMM influenced be? I could see something like Hoyry Kone and if we're stretching it Alamaailman Vasarat for SMM, but other than the side projects of members, I always saw Henry Cow as more or less standing alone, but I'm sure I'm wrong.

I'll let you experts try to figure out The Residents, SGM, and Estradasphere. ;-)

Henry Cow influenced:

NEO Museum
La 1919
Cartoon
PFS
Pocket Orchestra

Actually I wouldn't put the likes of Alamaailman Vasarat or Die Knodel in RIO. They're more gyspy-folk/klezmer based and I don't consider them RIO-orientated. Having interview Jarno Sarkula of Alamaailman Vasarat it has become clear the band members are more influenced by metal than any RIO or avant-prog band and they don't even consider themselves prog.

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Posted: January 21 2009 at 15:26

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No Mike-Tor... 2 stars for Scheherazade?! It's so beautiful Cry

What?! No. No. No. Cry

Mike, YOU'RE FIRED!!

I presume he doesn't mean Rimsky-Korsakov...

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Posted: January 21 2009 at 15:28

On that subject: I'm having a much better time with the title cut of "Ashes Are Burning" that's on PA - I'll have to locate this album

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Posted: January 21 2009 at 15:28

James wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

TGM: Orb wrote:

No Mike-Tor... 2 stars for Scheherazade?! It's so beautiful Cry

What?! No. No. No. Cry

Mike, YOU'RE FIRED!!

I presume he doesn't mean Rimsky-Korsakov...

He can actually diss RK's Scheherazade, I don't like it very much.

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Posted: January 21 2009 at 15:29

Rico: loved Piano Concerto No. 2, very elegant.

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Posted: January 21 2009 at 15:30

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I generally am favorable for a RIO/Avant split, but that would be alot of work. Would you split the team up too?

Eh, first I've heard of this.

My thoughts: frankly, RIO/Avant is a pretty small and not exactly wildly well-known category. Just thinking in particular of RIO, is it really worth doing that for so few bands? Do we need another subcategory, just because we can, and even more bickering about which category a borderline band should fall into?

I thought this way initially, but: what is the real argument against another subgenre?

Lots of work. Little return. More arguing.

Also, tbh, I think RIO/Avant is more eyecatching as a united front than a divided one. I mean, RIO... three letters! I'd just about ignore it if it wasn't followed by a slash. I can appreciate that the people who know it better than I do think a separation might be needed, but in my view that's a bit like dividing eclectic further just to make sure that VDGG/other extreme eclectic bands aren't in the same category as Gentle Giant/other ultra-complex/justplainweird eclectic bands.

Err... no.

Rock in Opposition Wink

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Posted: January 21 2009 at 15:31

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Rico: loved Piano Concerto No. 2, very elegant.

WIN!

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Posted: January 21 2009 at 15:31

If X than Y Prog: Because newbs who join for the sake of suggesting that Stratovarius be here because Dream Theater is obviously know their sh*t.

Key Artists:
EVERYONE!!!

okay, now I'm leaving.

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Posted: January 21 2009 at 15:32

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If X than Y Prog: Because newbs who join for the sake of suggesting that Stratovarius be here because Dream Theater is obviously know their sh*t.

Key Artists:
EVERYONE!!!

okay, now I'm leaving.

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Posted: January 21 2009 at 15:33

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Zappa Prog: Because the avant crowd is too good for the likes of him

Key Artists:
Dweezil Zappa
(Not Frank, we couldn't decide if he was "Zappa Prog" enough)

You miss the other non-related Zappa (who is on P.A. under Prog-folk). Wink

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Posted: January 21 2009 at 15:34

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Zappa Prog: Because the avant crowd is too good for the likes of him

Key Artists:
Dweezil Zappa
(Not Frank, we couldn't decide if he was "Zappa Prog" enough)

I know you're joking, but you kept saying stuff like that when we were talking about it before and referring to laplace's thread. But that's not what laplace's thread was about, and I'm confused about what would give you that impression.

Wow James I haven't heard any of those bands.

Oh wow Rico, Heartscore are terrible.

Edited by Henry Plainview - January 21 2009 at 15:35

if you own a sodastream i hate you

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Posted: January 21 2009 at 15:36

I've only heard one of those bands. Embarrassed

In my defense, I want to hear all of them - just haven't gotten around to it yet. Also, Pocket Orchestra is next to impossible to find.

James is really going to get on my case about La 1919 because he's been recommending them to me for a long time. Tongue

Edited by NaturalScience - January 21 2009 at 15:37

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Posted: January 21 2009 at 15:37

Okay, just finished my jazz homework.

What's everyone up to?

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Posted: January 21 2009 at 15:38

Being prog dorks as usual.

How's it going?

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Posted: January 21 2009 at 15:38

Henry Plainview wrote:

Oh wow Rico, Heartscore are terrible.

Thank God I only had to check if he fits in Art Rock (a while ago) - by listening to samples. A purchase of such kind of music would have resulted in suicide.

Edited by Ricochet - January 21 2009 at 15:39

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Posted: January 21 2009 at 15:38

Henry Plainview wrote:

King By-Tor wrote:

Zappa Prog: Because the avant crowd is too good for the likes of him

Key Artists:
Dweezil Zappa
(Not Frank, we couldn't decide if he was "Zappa Prog" enough)

Wow James I haven't heard any of those bands.

Oh wow Rico, Heartscore are terrible.

Avant fans like to bash the music that I like so I'm just returning the ignorance Tongue