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Poll Question: Where does this artist fit in the Prog spectrum?
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Points: 6467 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 02 2011 at 19:46
Including Mr. Plant as Crossover Prog was not my decision to make, but it is not one that I fully understand.  I do not have all of his works, but I do have a few of them and I just do not hear how he belongs.  Maybe after some more careful listening I will understand it better.  When we look at his entire solo career so far, I can ceraintly hear a lot of influences, which I would say makes him eclectic, but as many of these are from world music, that does not seem to fit in with the requirements for Crossover.  If it were up to me, I would say he fits better in with Prog Related, since artists in that category very often (or most often) follow standard song structures, which Plant does.
I have about five of his albums, including his collaboration with Allison Kraus, and like them all.  I prefer his later work, which is where he does stretch out more than in earlier releases.  I voted "Not at all," but I intend to listen a little more closely next time.  I can see Prog Related right now with some reservations, but not Crossover.
 
No disrespect to the admins.  They know their stuff better than I do.  Maybe I have missed something in the music, or something in applying the definitions of categories.  One thing I remember from the description is that it is pointless to nit-pick over fine points of defining.  I agree with this, but sometimes we do need to dwell on fine points for greater clarity.  This may just be one of those times - certainly some of us here think so.
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Points: 65250 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 02 2011 at 19:52
 ^ remember that a rejection for ProgRelated by Admin does not supersede an addition by a Genre Team
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^ So are you saying, if he was rejected from PR but accepted for Crossover, it would be impossible to move him to PR?
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No I do not consider Robert Plant's solo work Progressive.  His work in Led Zeppelin is fairly progressive though.
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If Santana is considered prog, why not Robert Plant?
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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 02 2011 at 21:14
Originally posted by Man With Hat Man With Hat wrote:

^ So are you saying, if he was rejected from PR but accepted for Crossover, it would be impossible to move him to PR?
Yes, but that shouldn't be a surprise or mystery to anyone, unlike every other subgenre the criteria for PR is more than just how the musc sounds.
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I have his entire discography and I'd say he had a great chance of being accepted into a hypothetical  'World Fusion' genre, which would beg the question of what it means to be progressive, a can of worms I'm not intenting to open.
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Points: 15585 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2011 at 03:48
Plant's addition to the site caused a lot of controversy at the time, and I certainly voiced my disapproval too.
 
It was though a decision made by one of our specialist teams, and we must respect their right to make those decisions and acknowledge that they do so with integrity. I am sure the Xover team will wish to stand by their decision now.
 
I would be very resistant though to him now being moved to prog related. I cannot speak for the rest of the admin team (who are custodians of PR), but I do not think he would have been approved for prog related at the time.
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I was not part of the team when Plant was voted in.  I don't think it is my place to second guess previously evaluated bands. 
 
If the admins wish to move Plant to related, and want us to discuss that, we will discuss it.  Until then, all this is pointless to me.
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well, I can see why he was rejected by the Prog Related team in the past  :)

Like I said earlier, I very much enjoy his music.  Some of it is wonderful and different,  but it does not fit my definition of 'prog'  at all

I was mostly curious to hear why some people think he is prog

I wasn't really trying to start a movement  to have him ejected


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I didn't know he was already on PA. However, speaking of moves, why don't we move Vangelis from prog-related to progressive electronic instead ? Wink 
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Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

I didn't know he was already on PA. However, speaking of moves, why don't we move Vangelis from prog-related to progressive electronic instead ? Wink 

Agreed. Also Jethro Tull is more "Eclectic" than folk, but I guess it would be a great deal of work for the site administrators to put up with all our opinions.
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I like the site as it is. A process to review the subgenres assignments could be a nice thing but there is already a lot of work to do to maintain the site so I wouldn't add this burden to the admins or the teams, but exchanging opinions is the purpose of the forums then I don't see anything bad in discussing.
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Points: 19535 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2011 at 10:37
Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

I didn't know he was already on PA. However, speaking of moves, why don't we move Vangelis from prog-related to progressive electronic instead ? Wink 

Because he was specifically rejected from that team along with Jarre.

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Points: 3658 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2011 at 10:44

I get the feeling that this debate will be as long and heated as the debate on the French revolution. I don't want to live forever, let me put it like that. I rather want a stairway to heaven, but with no contact down the stairway.  

Planty has been included in PA. Finito guiliotine. Express your views with reviews instead. 



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That's agaisnt site policy though, so the forum is our only to petition for the redress of such a grievous inclusion. LOL
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Points: 19535 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2011 at 10:53
As Torodd, I keep my mouth shut after a band or artist has been added, I just voted and must say I'm in the winning side of the poll.

Hope that Plant doesn't send a furious letter to ProgArchives LOL

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Points: 1433 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2011 at 10:58
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

As Torodd, I keep my mouth shut after a band or artist has been added, I just voted and must say I'm in the winning side of the poll.

Hope that Plant doesn't send a furious letter to ProgArchives LOL

Iván

Whenever I've seen him on TV recently, he's been very grumpy. I've just realised, maybe it's because he was added to this site?

If I was him and I was reading this, I would make an account and post my own opinion. That would end the debate, surely.


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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

I didn't know he was already on PA. However, speaking of moves, why don't we move Vangelis from prog-related to progressive electronic instead ? Wink 

Because he was specifically rejected from that team along with Jarre.

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I know he was...I agree about Jarre. Anyway this is just a forum. I don't think anybody is really requesting movements, additions or deletions of artists. 
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Points: 3658 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2011 at 11:18
 
Originally posted by thehallway thehallway wrote:

 

If I was him and I was reading this, I would make an account and post my own opinion. That would end the debate, surely.

What makes you believe he has not voiced his opinion here ?

Grumpy ? If you have seen how Wolves has played lately and you were a fan & director (?), you too would had been grumpy.



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