Neo-Progressive

E-Dub wrote: richardh wrote: jean-marie wrote: Hey you Prog fellows, i'm amazed how about Marillion it's always Marillion aka Fish, i love both but what about Marillion aka Hogart? In fact i prefer the further albums, i mean about music I prefer Hogarth as a singer over Fish any day of the week. On that basis I bought every Marillion album up to and including The Strange Engine. But I just found that I wasn't listening to any of them apart from Seasons End. I havn't heard Marbles though (or anything after The Strange Engine). Should I give it a try? Do yourself a favor and pick up the 2 disc version of Marbles. Madfish has just re-released it and you can get it over at marillion.com. Anoraknophobia is also worth your time, as is Happiness Is The Road. I do feel, however, that Essence works better as a whole than The Hard Shoulder. That said, the latter has "The Man From The Planet Marzipan" and the absolutely stunning "Real Tears For Sale", which is easily in my top 5 Marillion songs. It may also behoove you to pick up some live albums. The series from the '09 convention are amazing and I reach for them a lot. Popular Music is also very good, which quite possibly the best live version of "This Strange Engine" ever. E

I saw the 2 disc version on Amazon and checked the samples. I like the general feel of it. Probably will take a punt. Do the tracks flow into each other or are there gaps between?

way to go, Eric!  I don't know what possesses some people to head for the discussion about what they don't like.  I have MDK by Magma, not really me cup of tea, but I wanted to have some idea of what Zeulh was about.  However you're not going to find me on the forum trying to steer people away from something they want to explore.  Music is highly personalize in its enjoyment, if it brings something in the way of emotion and feelling to you, great.  we can all feel sorry for these trolls, who obviously have no joy in their life since they focus on negativity. 

I see that you guys have met trollceratopsoil and trollo.  Both members that are basically members.  My enjoyment of this site has dwindled immensely since their arrival, and I am quite sure that both will be quite proud to know that they have accomplished this.

Edited by rushfan4 - September 17 2011 at 09:20

rushfan4 wrote: I see that you guys have met trollceratopsoil and trollo.  Both members that are basically members.  My enjoyment of this site has dwindled immensely since their arrival, and I am quite sure that both will be quite proud to know that they have accomplished this.

Same here. I come back sparingly, but things like this really drove me away.

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Polo wrote: E-Dub wrote: Polo wrote: stonebeard wrote: JJLehto wrote: Surprised there aren't more comments saying how neo prog is terrible but giving no real reason why.  Not sure what this genre really is but I've heard an album by that band Pendragon and it didn't seem too bad.  I like these threads because it shows me whose opinions never to take seriously because they can't keep from sh*tting up the forum. It's not hard to sum up how the concept of neo-prog is weak. People may like it, but it is still a conceptually failed subgenre. Sorry, but this is rubbish. If you look at some of the popular albums from the past 15 to 20 years, a lot of them are neo. Hell, just look at the past polls over at DPRP and bands like IQ, Marillion and Pendragon are choking off the top 5 spots, with any one of these bands taking album of the year. Weak may be your opinion; however, conceptually failed is ludicrous.  E Hundreds of discussions on PA have already proved that popularity isn't an acceptable argument in any discussion. Need one bring Justin Bieber to this thread? And it does fail in concept. Most bands in the subgenre base their sound around reusing successful formulas of the Golden Era of Prog and mix them with catchy, merry melodies. It's not hard to run out of ideas and become a self parody if they don't create new concepts. rushfan4 wrote: I see that you guys have met trollceratopsoil and trollo.  Both members that are basically members.  My enjoyment of this site has dwindled immensely since their arrival, and I am quite sure that both will be quite proud to know that they have accomplished this. I'm not trolling here, mr. Bringer o' Truth Almighty. One has the right to defend what he believes in. I keep my sillyness in the Shred Room, and I don't believe you should bring your dislike of me outta it.

Triceratopsoil wrote: E-Dub wrote: ludicrous. So is 4 posts in a row, by the way

Hundreds of discussions on PA have already proved that popularity isn't an acceptable argument in any discussion. Need one bring Justin Bieber to this thread?

And it does fail in concept. Most bands in the subgenre base their sound around reusing successful formulas of the Golden Era of Prog and mix them with catchy, merry melodies. It's not hard to run out of ideas and become a self parody if they don't create new concepts.

^this part by polo
OK now we can have a discussion, tell us which albums and/or songs are a resuing of golden era songs and we can talk about interpretations of the music for both the golden age stuff and the neo,  I'm gonng to give you Grendal right out of the box, not for the concept but the song structure, hey they were really young. 

 

you state neo doesn't create new concepts,  what song is The Invisible Man and copy of? I have more but let's just get started shall we which discussion rather than bashing each other.

Edited by kenmartree - September 17 2011 at 11:58

timothy leary wrote: Polo wrote: E-Dub wrote: Polo wrote: stonebeard wrote: JJLehto wrote: Surprised there aren't more comments saying how neo prog is terrible but giving no real reason why.  Not sure what this genre really is but I've heard an album by that band Pendragon and it didn't seem too bad.  I like these threads because it shows me whose opinions never to take seriously because they can't keep from sh*tting up the forum. It's not hard to sum up how the concept of neo-prog is weak. People may like it, but it is still a conceptually failed subgenre. Sorry, but this is rubbish. If you look at some of the popular albums from the past 15 to 20 years, a lot of them are neo. Hell, just look at the past polls over at DPRP and bands like IQ, Marillion and Pendragon are choking off the top 5 spots, with any one of these bands taking album of the year. Weak may be your opinion; however, conceptually failed is ludicrous.  E Hundreds of discussions on PA have already proved that popularity isn't an acceptable argument in any discussion. Need one bring Justin Bieber to this thread? And it does fail in concept. Most bands in the subgenre base their sound around reusing successful formulas of the Golden Era of Prog and mix them with catchy, merry melodies. It's not hard to run out of ideas and become a self parody if they don't create new concepts. rushfan4 wrote: I see that you guys have met trollceratopsoil and trollo.  Both members that are basically members.  My enjoyment of this site has dwindled immensely since their arrival, and I am quite sure that both will be quite proud to know that they have accomplished this. I'm not trolling here, mr. Bringer o' Truth Almighty. One has the right to defend what he believes in. I keep my sillyness in the Shred Room, and I don't believe you should bring your dislike of me outta it. Just your location tells me all I need to know. " your mom". How infantile and something I am sure you would only say to a computer screen. If you don't like something....state it and move on rather than hijacking a thread.

Hey Timothy! Your name is among my favourite Moodies song

kenmartree wrote: Hundreds of discussions on PA have already proved that popularity isn't an acceptable argument in any discussion. Need one bring Justin Bieber to this thread? And it does fail in concept. Most bands in the subgenre base their sound around reusing successful formulas of the Golden Era of Prog and mix them with catchy, merry melodies. It's not hard to run out of ideas and become a self parody if they don't create new concepts. ^this part by polo OK now we can have a discussion, tell us which albums and/or songs are a resuing of golden era songs and we can talk about interpretations of the music for both the golden age stuff and the neo,  I'm gonng to give you Grendal right out of the box, not for the concept but the song structure, hey they were really young.    you state neo doesn't create new concepts,  what song is The Invisible Man and copy of? I have more but let's just get started shall we which discussion rather than bashing each other.

Nice point, Kenmar. "The Invisible Man" has a sound all it's own. Same for "This Strange Engine".

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E-Dub wrote: Uh oh, that's 2 posts in a row. I'm teetering on being lambasted for back-to-back posts. Oh no, this makes 3!!!! E

Double-posting seriously is annoying as hell, and it only increases exponentially with the number of additional posts. There's an edit button if you forgot to add something to your post! Not to mention quote pyramids some other people are building in here...

James quadruple posts all the time in SR, I'm pretty sure he does it solely because he knows how much it annoys me (and to ensure nobody else will ever top his post count).