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Points: 7971 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 20 2011 at 09:16
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by Bonnek Bonnek wrote:

^ it does, but sorry, give me the real thing any day


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Got my Opeth lucky coin collection today.




Listening to the 5.1 mix now.
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Damn this album is attracting me less and less  by the minute. I'll still buy it but it might be the first by Opeth that makes its way to the cd trader bin... Let's wait and see.. 
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Each to his own. To hardcore metallers this album might appear a sell out but to people like me who like their Prog heavy and their Heavy Rock proggy this album is near perfect. I gave it 8 1/2 out of 10 recently, I think I'll need to revise that up to a solid 9!

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I'm so far from a hardcore metaller these days I wouldn't mind if the album was a straight-out pop record but if what I read about "retro-70" is true, then I'll be in for trouble. I'll buy it today. 
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Apart from having complete passages from various Rainbow, Gentle Giant and King Crimson tracks it isn't retro at all...
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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

I'm so far from a hardcore metaller these days I wouldn't mind if the album was a straight-out pop record but if what I read about "retro-70" is true, then I'll be in for trouble. I'll buy it today. 

Its not as retro 70's as they tried to make it out to be, but the death metal is long gone.
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Head on wallDead.... Well maybe maybe... I'll hope for the best... Fellow Swedes Pain of Salvation already killed my affection for them so I have to hope that these Swedes won't follow suit Tongue
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I like it...it's not a 5 star but it's still pretty interesting. Damnation is better, more focused. But there is more guitar soloing on this album than maybe any other Opeth album, for one thing. It's fun. Without a major change in direction, there wasn't alot more they were going to be able to say anyway. This one is interesting. Might make my year end top 10. But certainly not top 3. Need to let it sink in more.
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Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Each to his own. To hardcore metallers this album might appear a sell out but to people like me who like their Prog heavy and their Heavy Rock proggy this album is near perfect. I gave it 8 1/2 out of 10 recently, I think I'll need to revise that up to a solid 9!

Brilliant.

While I listen to some metal, I am not a metaller by any stretch of the imagination. I personally found Heritage weak because of its poor songwriting and forced dynamics/transitions. It is the first Opeth album that has generally bored me. I was not a huge fan of Watershed for similar reasons, but the songwriting was tighter and more coherent on that record. 

Also, some of the uses of hammond and flute are just ridiculous. At points Heritage sounds likes a 70's prog parody album. 

I love 70's prog but this just comes off as a weak imitation with some hard rock/metal elements, rather than something new and interesting for the most part. 


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Give it time.
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Originally posted by QuestionableScum QuestionableScum wrote:


I love 70's prog but this just comes off as a weak imitation with some hard rock/metal elements, rather than something new and interesting for the most part. 



Pretty much what everyone is saying.
Like every 70s prog band was original!!! What isn't some kind of an imitation? Kinda impossible to avoid.
It's a fine album, and even if its a rip off of 70s prog...can you think of a better time/genre for Opeth to ripoff? Wink
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Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Give it time.

I would be surprised if my opinion changes much. My early reaction to Heritage was very similar to my initial reaction to Watershed, and my opinion about Watershed never really changed. But who knows...I hope you are right, but I feel very underwhelmed right now. 

JJLehto: My problem with the album is that it isn't original. The problem that I have with it, is that the songwriting is weak and incoherent. The same problem I have with much of Yes' work. The transitions, and use of dynamics don't seem to move the music forward, but just strike me as arbitrary. 




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I doubt they became The Flower Kings (but hey they are both Swedish)jk
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So far I've given it one listen.  A very intriguing departure and yet not entirely dissimilar to the 'peth I know and love.  I'll have to immerse myself in it some more, but so far it sounds like a winner.
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Points: 7971 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 20 2011 at 19:31
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Got my Opeth lucky coin collection today.




Listening to the 5.1 mix now.


Wow, that's beautiful!

Is that the vinyl version?
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Points: 16449 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 21 2011 at 06:46
^Looks like the special edition CD+DVD which I've also got, minus the coin. 
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Ok I'm listening for about the 4th or 5th time now. I like it alot. There's alot of acoustic guitar and keys. It's fresh, feels risky, definitely along the line taken by "Throat of Winter" but bigger and more ambitious. It's not perfect. But it's good.
 
But my opinion on Opeth has never been mainstream. I'd rather listen to Orchid than MAYH (which is just "Still Life" lite to me). I love Damnation, but hate "Burden" off Watershed.
 
Listening to "Haxprocess" right now...how can a prog junkie not dig this?
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Every single positive review of this album here on PA begins the review with something along the ones of 'no more rubbishy death growls'. I'm open to most stuff, and this album just doesn't cut it. There's nothing really to like, it feels flat and uninspired.

Every time I mention I don't like it, I'm told that just because it's not mega heavy does not mean it's rubbish. Strange, but, Damnation seemed ok to me. And Opeth is one of the only metal bands I regularly listen to. I just think it's a bad album, and I'm a bit bemused why this opinion isn't more widespread. But hey, if people enjoy it, that's fine by me.


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^I think that every time someone votes for Porcupine Tree in a poll. Wink
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