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Lizzy

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Posted: February 03 2011 at 16:28

The Sleepwalker wrote:

Lizzy wrote:

The Sleepwalker wrote:

Lizzy wrote:

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I will never enjoy Stormwatch. Stern Smile

Omg I hate you! How can you do this to me? Cry

omg no I didn't mean to hurt you I was just teasing you a bit

I'm so sorry k Shocked

You mean it? Smile

Of course I mean it.

You know I do respect you as a person, right?

No. No, I don't.

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Posted: February 03 2011 at 16:29

Lizzy wrote:

The Sleepwalker wrote:

Lizzy wrote:

The Sleepwalker wrote:

Lizzy wrote:

The Sleepwalker wrote:

I will never enjoy Stormwatch. Stern Smile

Omg I hate you! How can you do this to me? Cry

omg no I didn't mean to hurt you I was just teasing you a bit

I'm so sorry k Shocked

You mean it? Smile

Of course I mean it.

You know I do respect you as a person, right?

No. No, I don't.

Well, I do. Shocked

Negoba

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Posted: February 03 2011 at 16:31

Get a room, kiddies.

You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.

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Posted: February 03 2011 at 16:33

Not untill he'll start enjoying Stormwatch. (woohoo! that's never!)

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Posted: February 03 2011 at 16:35

I haven't heard Stormwatch, but I'd probably enjoy it.

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Posted: February 03 2011 at 16:37

Vompatti wrote:

I haven't heard Stormwatch, but I'd probably enjoy it.

You probably would because it is no less than 3.5 stars.

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Posted: February 03 2011 at 18:58

The T wrote:

Henry Plainview wrote:

altaeria wrote:

When I see legendary 70s prog albums being reviewed as "totally overrated"
or "full of pretentious filler" and given 1 or 2 stars-- then I'm not sure that I get the
point of the site anymore. If multiple people are completely trashing legitimate
classic albums by Yes or King Crimson (for example), then why bother reading on?
I can get those types of opinions from PunkArchives or GrungeArchives.

I'm sorry you feel that everybody on the site has to have the same opinions.

Can't help but agree with this. I, for one, don't like most of Genesis' output, Tresspass and Nursery Crime excepted, so I'll obviously rate them low.

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Posted: February 03 2011 at 20:53

Gerinski wrote:

I think people should refrain from reviewing and rating albums from a style / subgenre they don't like as a principle.

I am mostly a symphonic / eclectic / jazz-fusion fan and as such I feel entitled to say that a symphonic album I find bad deserves 1 or 2 stars IMHO.

However for example I purchased Maudlin of the Well's Leaving Your Body Map and Godspeed You BE's Lift Your Skinny Fists because of their high appreciation and I do not like them, sorry I'm not really into Post Rock / Post Metal / Math.

But I am not going to review them and give them 1 or 2 stars, I simply refrain from reviewing or rating them, because I am aware that I do not like them not because they are bad albums but because the genre doesn't really appeal much to me. Maybe one day I will give them a few more spins and they will click, who knows.

I can to a certain extent understand the rationale here i.e. if you don't like eggs then not even a state of the art omelette is gonna convince you otherwise BUT it should be self evident from reading just a handful of reviews from any genre on PA that you learn more about the listener than what is being listened to. Some reviewers are more objective than others but no one reviewer can ever be purely objective about an aesthetic phenomena such as music. How can we call ourselves gourmets if we choose the same dish from the menu every time we visit the restaurant?

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Posted: February 03 2011 at 21:47

Vompatti wrote:

I haven't heard Stormwatch, but I'd probably enjoy it.

Stormwatch was basically the end of an era for Tull, I like it. Haven't reviewed it yet I think.

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Posted: February 03 2011 at 22:53

Henry Plainview wrote:

I'm sorry you feel that everybody on the site has to have the same opinions.

+1

why dont you let everyone vote and rate albums as they think they should vote and rate? why do i have to like classic prog albums like you?
besides, i dont see any "legendary" album NOT sitting on the top of the lists.

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Posted: February 03 2011 at 23:33

altaeria wrote:

Over the last couple years or so,
I've found myself referring to ProgArchives less and less.

As the site's library of bands becomes more and more extensive,
the spectrum of reviewers seems to become much more expansive.

Although that sounds like a good thing on the surface, it kinda defeats
the purpose of (what once was) a generally like-minded niche community.

For albums that I am familiar with, I don't feel like I relate to many of the
opinions posted about them these days... and so it has become more difficult
for me to utilize reviews of unfamiliar albums as dependable reference tools.

When I see legendary 70s prog albums being reviewed as "totally overrated"
or "full of pretentious filler" and given 1 or 2 stars-- then I'm not sure that I get the
point of the site anymore. If multiple people are completely trashing legitimate
classic albums by Yes or King Crimson (for example), then why bother reading on?
I can get those types of opinions from PunkArchives or GrungeArchives.

Oh well. (sigh)
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Then why don't you just follow the reviewers you agree with? You can just click on the reviewers' name and get a list of other music they rated. If you already share an opinion on one album, you may gain a similar like-minded insight on other music that you haven't listened to yet.

Of course, if you narrow your focus like that, then you might miss a lot of really good music that those reviewers wouldn't have touched, or that they didn't like but you might prefer...

Personally, I do you this site's ratings as a reference, but it's not the be-all-and-end-all for my music buying decisions. That's YouTube. I find a song or three from the album I'm looking at and actually listen to it.

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Posted: February 04 2011 at 00:57

If you removed the word progressive from that question and replace it with another 11 letter word starting with P then I would say absolutely.

Edited by boo boo - February 04 2011 at 00:58

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Posted: February 04 2011 at 04:05

I don't really see the point in reading loads of reviews that agree with everything you say about an album. What is the point? It just affirms what you know. I prefer reading a critique of something I like to see what would make someone take the opposite stance - this holds far more interest to me.

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Posted: February 04 2011 at 04:51

I must say that I partially agree with you....

At first I viewed favourably the prog-related insertions that opened the spectrum and liked that they actually irked soooo much some of the prog purists (some even insulted me because I was for introducing the JR/F genre, but that's another side of the debate)

I'd say that the real breaking point came when Zeppelin was added in prog-related.... it seemed that from then on, anything could be included, and we had to create an Admins-only acceptation team in order to stop the floodgates from be wide opened and washed away by the current.

and that problem also spread to other full-blown prog genres as well... But I'll keep quiet on this subject that's ruffled quite a few feathers behind closed doors

let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
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as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword

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Posted: February 04 2011 at 07:08

I'm not annoyed by the inclusion of non-prog bands to the site anywhere close to as annoyed as I am by the idiots who constantly give incredibly low ratings to albums they even admit are great but "they're not prog and thus deserve to be punished". Which has given way to some really WTF ratings.

My advice is, if you're gonna keep complaining about non prog artists being added, STOP REQUESTING FOR THEM TO BE ADDED.

Otherwise it seems like people only want to add non prog artists just to have an excuse to rant about how awful everything non prog is. And to have an excuse to rate Beatles albums below Dream Theater albums, something that is deservedly illegal everywhere else on the internet.

Edited by boo boo - February 04 2011 at 07:11

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Posted: February 04 2011 at 07:19

^ I'm more annoyed by list manipulation.

boo boo

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Posted: February 04 2011 at 07:21

People can do that?

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Posted: February 04 2011 at 07:22

SolarLuna96 wrote:

^ I'm more annoyed by list manipulation.

Seconded.

Besides, everybody knows that Dream Theter is better than any of those boring bands from the 60's. They can't even shred!

Edited by CCVP - February 04 2011 at 07:24