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Posted: October 17 2010 at 19:05
I actually think that's the most interesting kind of sampling. Sampling a chorus and then deploying it as a chorus is just cheap. But using an element of a song in a different way- looping part of a solo so it becomes a melody or turning verse lines into choruses or somesuch is creative and fun,
Next: A little tougher but one that a fan of the band in question might be able to spot quite quickly.
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Posted: October 18 2010 at 02:38
You got it!
OK next one is SUPER easy as it's a prog standard but I'll still see if you guys can get it right away.
I more use it as an illustration of the odd effect sampling can have if you notice it. If you just treat this sample as sound it doesn't matter, but if you actually listen to the lyrics used, it has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the song. And if you happen to know the sample (which Mims' target audience certainly wouldn't) the clash of the worlds of cheesy pop rap and prog rock legend is disorienting. A lot of the rappers I've been using are respected/underground types, the sort of stuff I actually listen to. Mims, the guy this next song belongs to, is a plain and simple commercial palooka with very little to recommend him. And yet he uses this sort of arcane sample from a super serious prog band here. Sometimes you think a rapper puts real thought into his beat collection but on this occassion I'd eat my hat if it wasn't a beat that just got passed to him by the label.
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Posted: October 18 2010 at 03:09
Yep. You're good at this Chris S, catching up on Snow Dog.
btw, is this thread surprising you guys so far? It's just people were falling out of their trees about Kanye West and King Crimson so I wondered if learning that it's been going on for decades makes people rethink sampling's limits and history and the types of music that fed into hip-hop.
Here's a similar one but MUCH tougher- I'll be impressed if someone gets this.
It's similar in that it's another complete juxtaposition. Capone and Noreaga are a noted rap duo, capable of producing good rap music. Their tracks tend to be standard street issue stuff but they do a better job of it than most.
Except on the singles where label pressures and their own fears about their commercial potential cause them to become particularly dumb. This song is a typical "gangster get money" track.
BUT
it samples a much loved prog act. And the thing is, I couldn't think of a less likely act to be sampled for an album that was actually called Thugged Da f**k Out. Really goes to show you can sample anything for anything if the producer's got an ear for it.
But can you pick the sample? Like I said, I think this is a toughie...
Don't be distracted by the piece of music at the start- the sample is in the main track that begins at :12.
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Posted: October 18 2010 at 03:14
I can't believe you even had time to hear it seven times. I'm very impressed Mr Progkidjoel, but I have to say I'm also a little suspicious, I was sure that was a potential stumper ;)
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