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Snow Dog 
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 Posted: July 28 2010 at 16:09 |
 moshkito wrote:
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Sorry but I don't see why a great bassline has to be progressive. |
It doesn't.
The point was that too much of the stuff mentioned was way too conventional playing to be ... that good.
I might as well add John Paul Jones, since Led Zep 1 and 2 is one the best examples EVER of what a guitar and bass can do ... that almost no one is big enough to do ... and everyone is still copying them! |
I'm sorry but........bollocks.
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presdoug
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Posted: July 28 2010 at 17:37 |
Snow Dog wrote:
moshkito wrote:
richardh wrote:
Sorry but I don't see why a great bassline has to be progressive. |
It doesn't.
The point was that too much of the stuff mentioned was way too conventional playing to be ... that good.
I might as well add John Paul Jones, since Led Zep 1 and 2 is one the best examples EVER of what a guitar and bass can do ... that almost no one is big enough to do ... and everyone is still copying them! |
I'm sorry but........bollocks. |
how can you put JPJ higher up than some of the very progressive players mentioned-ditto bollocks!
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Posted: July 28 2010 at 17:42 |
presdoug wrote:
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1. Squire's bass throughout "CTTE", a classic!2. Wetton's bass on "Fracture" from SBB 3. Lake's bass on "ITCOTCK", from the album of the same name....he RIPS on that! 4. Rutherford's bass on "Lamb" title track, superb composition!! 5. Percy Jones on Eno's "Skysaw" from "Another Green World," Percy and Fripp together....yow! 6. Gary Strater's basswork on "Starcastle" is impressive, check out "Lady of the Lake"
Don't forget to check out Ray Bennett's bass work on the Flash LPs, he was cutting edge at the same time as Squire (they were flat-mates in London back then!) "Children of the Universe" comes to mind immediately.
Flash will play at ProgDay fest in a few weeks, wish them well!! Ray plays six-string, and Wayne Carver does one bang-up job on bass!! Good old-fashioned '70's prog comin' at ya! |
That is quite an awesome list! Back in the day, did you ever see Starcastle with Gary Strater? Where is ProgDay festival? Ray Bennett with Flash i love, would love to see them live
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Dude, I KNEW Gary Strater & the guys in Starcastle! I was in college at University of Illinois, where they were based from. It broke my heart when Gary died of cancer, Starcastle were starting to get their act back together again! *sigh!*
Here's the link to Flash at Progday, be sure & check out their website on MySpace, lots of new tunes (and other stuff) being posted! Cheers!!
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The Monodrone
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Posted: July 28 2010 at 17:53 |
presdoug wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
moshkito wrote:
richardh wrote:
Sorry but I don't see why a great bassline has to be progressive. |
It doesn't.
The point was that too much of the stuff mentioned was way too conventional playing to be ... that good.
I might as well add John Paul Jones, since Led Zep 1 and 2 is one the best examples EVER of what a guitar and bass can do ... that almost no one is big enough to do ... and everyone is still copying them! |
I'm sorry but........bollocks. |
how can you put JPJ higher up than some of the very progressive players mentioned-ditto bollocks!
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How can you not? What's not progressive about John? He's better than most "prog" bass players; his playing is unique, full of talent, and very tasteful. Just because someone is a bassist in a "prog" band doesn't make them automatically superior to all "non-prog" bass players; that's a ridiculous and backward way of thinking. 
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Snow Dog
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Posted: July 28 2010 at 18:09 |
ptkc123 wrote:
presdoug wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
moshkito wrote:
richardh wrote:
Sorry but I don't see why a great bassline has to be progressive. |
It doesn't.
The point was that too much of the stuff mentioned was way too conventional playing to be ... that good.
I might as well add John Paul Jones, since Led Zep 1 and 2 is one the best examples EVER of what a guitar and bass can do ... that almost no one is big enough to do ... and everyone is still copying them! |
I'm sorry but........bollocks. |
how can you put JPJ higher up than some of the very progressive players mentioned-ditto bollocks!
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How can you not? What's not progressive about John? He's better than most "prog" bass players; his playing is unique, full of talent, and very tasteful. Just because someone is a bassist in a "prog" band doesn't make them automatically superior to all "non-prog" bass players; that's a ridiculous and backward way of thinking.
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No one is saying that.
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cstack3
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Posted: July 28 2010 at 18:09 |
ptkc123 wrote:
presdoug wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
moshkito wrote:
richardh wrote:
Sorry but I don't see why a great bassline has to be progressive. |
It doesn't.
The point was that too much of the stuff mentioned was way too conventional playing to be ... that good.
I might as well add John Paul Jones, since Led Zep 1 and 2 is one the best examples EVER of what a guitar and bass can do ... that almost no one is big enough to do ... and everyone is still copying them! |
I'm sorry but........bollocks. |
how can you put JPJ higher up than some of the very progressive players mentioned-ditto bollocks!
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How can you not? What's not progressive about John? He's better than most "prog" bass players; his playing is unique, full of talent, and very tasteful. Just because someone is a bassist in a "prog" band doesn't make them automatically superior to all "non-prog" bass players; that's a ridiculous and backward way of thinking.
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*ahem* Keep it down, mates! Although JP Jones didn't actually play with a "progressive" band in the true sense, he always brought a progressive element to Led Zep, including some very creative basslines, keyboards (organ, Mellotron, electric piano) and interesting approach to otherwise conventional blues-rock.
His solo albums, "Zooma" and "Thunderthief," are on Fripp's DGM, and Fripp even guested on "Thunderthief"! Trey Gunn played on "Zooma" and toured with JPJ (I saw that show, damn good!)
That's pretty proggy!
I'd enjoy seeing JPJ join up with a true prog lineup, it would be very interesting! However, the bulk of his catalog is more or less blues-rock based, so I don't tend to put him in the same league as Squire, Rutherford etc. However, he is very good on whatever instrument he cares to play!
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presdoug
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Posted: July 28 2010 at 18:09 |
ptkc123 wrote:
presdoug wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
moshkito wrote:
richardh wrote:
Sorry but I don't see why a great bassline has to be progressive. |
It doesn't.
The point was that too much of the stuff mentioned was way too conventional playing to be ... that good.
I might as well add John Paul Jones, since Led Zep 1 and 2 is one the best examples EVER of what a guitar and bass can do ... that almost no one is big enough to do ... and everyone is still copying them! |
I'm sorry but........bollocks. |
how can you put JPJ higher up than some of the very progressive players mentioned-ditto bollocks!
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How can you not? What's not progressive about John? He's better than most "prog" bass players; his playing is unique, full of talent, and very tasteful. Just because someone is a bassist in a "prog" band doesn't make them automatically superior to all "non-prog" bass players; that's a ridiculous and backward way of thinking.
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i listen to alot of "non-prog" bass players and have no problem with that-i just personally do not feel that JPJ is all that special, over-rated really-it is not because he is or is not progressive in style-but that is just my opinion, for better or worse 
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CinemaZebra
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Posted: July 28 2010 at 18:14 |
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John Paul Jones, progressive or not, is frighteningly overrated.
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The Monodrone
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Posted: July 28 2010 at 18:20 |
presdoug wrote:
ptkc123 wrote:
presdoug wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
moshkito wrote:
richardh wrote:
Sorry but I don't see why a great bassline has to be progressive. |
It doesn't.
The point was that too much of the stuff mentioned was way too conventional playing to be ... that good.
I might as well add John Paul Jones, since Led Zep 1 and 2 is one the best examples EVER of what a guitar and bass can do ... that almost no one is big enough to do ... and everyone is still copying them! |
I'm sorry but........bollocks. |
how can you put JPJ higher up than some of the very progressive players mentioned-ditto bollocks!
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How can you not? What's not progressive about John? He's better than most "prog" bass players; his playing is unique, full of talent, and very tasteful. Just because someone is a bassist in a "prog" band doesn't make them automatically superior to all "non-prog" bass players; that's a ridiculous and backward way of thinking.
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i listen to alot of "non-prog" bass players and have no problem with that-i just personally do not feel that JPJ is all that special, over-rated really-it is not because he is or is not progressive in style-but that is just my opinion, for better or worse
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Sorry, but you really made it sound like that.
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SaltyJon
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Posted: July 28 2010 at 18:51 |
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No one has mentioned Jaco Pastorius yet. Many of the bass lines on his S/T are amazing (and tough to play, to boot). Stanley Clarke's "School Days" has an amazing bassline as well. Same goes for the multitude of other bassists I prefer to those two anymore. Oh, and the bassline in Can's Halleluhwah - not complicated, but gooooooooooooood.
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richardh
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Posted: July 29 2010 at 01:55 |
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I think a good test of a great bassline is can you recall it in your head without having to actually listen to the music? For instance Yes - Roundabout. Very easy to recall and extract the bass line. Fits the song perfectly but is brilliant on its own also.
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BaldJean
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Posted: July 29 2010 at 03:14 |
CinemaZebra wrote:
John Paul Jones, progressive or not, is frighteningly overrated.
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I disagree; he is an excellent bass player.
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 A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta
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cstack3
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Posted: July 29 2010 at 11:30 |
BaldJean wrote:
CinemaZebra wrote:
John Paul Jones, progressive or not, is frighteningly overrated.
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I disagree; he is an excellent bass player.
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I agree! In fact, he is an excellent multi-instrumentalist, proficient on keyboards, acoustic guitar, electric/acoustic bass, mandolin, and something he invented, "slide bass". He also introduced the 8-string bass to the world in later Led Zeppelin, before those became mainstream.
The bass in my icon photo is the twin to his famous "Eric the Red" bass, made by Hugh Manson. If you've seen Them Crooked Vultures on TV, you've seen Eric.
Here's a good read on the guy & our mutual friend, Hugh Manson:
http://www.performing-musician.com/pm/jun09/articles/techthat.htm
However, I don't think his bass technique is as sophisticated as Squire, Wetton etc. JPJ is very much grounded in the blues and even soul, and only recently ventured out into solid progressive music with "Zooma" and "Thunderthief." Both had their moments, but were somewhat inconsistent.
Let's just say that he's an excellent bassist and many in prog owe a debt to the guy for the doors he opened, but he isn't a "pure prog" bassist, unlike Squire, Percy Jones, Wetton and the like.
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cstack3
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Posted: July 29 2010 at 11:32 |
Sorry, here's the JPJ/ Hugh Manson link again!
Hugh is also the luthier to Steve Howe, Martin Barre and many more. It is a pleasure to know him, he's brought me backstage to numerous concerts when he tours, and for this I am forever grateful!
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BaldJean
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Posted: July 29 2010 at 11:44 |
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I am surprised no-one mentioned the bass line from Gong's "Master Builder" so far; a snake like 6-tone intro followed by a descending second which is being played 9-times
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A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta
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Posted: July 29 2010 at 11:49 |
BaldJean wrote:
I am surprised no-one mentioned the bass line from Gong's "Master Builder" so far; a snake like 6-tone intor, followed by a descending second which is being played 9-times
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Definitely!
One I've been enjoying lately is Roy Babbington's bass line on (the track) Bundles - especially the live versions!
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Posted: July 29 2010 at 12:14 |
Yes' Roudabout, or anything by Blotted Science.
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The Runaway
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Posted: July 30 2010 at 09:02 |
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There's a bassline around the 2:30 minute mark of Schooldays by Gentle Giant that blows my mind!
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Posted: August 01 2010 at 11:14 |
moshkito wrote:
richardh wrote:
Sorry but I don't see why a great bassline has to be progressive. |
It doesn't.
The point was that too much of the stuff mentioned was way too conventional playing to be ... that good.
I might as well add John Paul Jones, since Led Zep 1 and 2 is one the best examples EVER of what a guitar and bass can do ... that almost no one is big enough to do ... and everyone is still copying them! |
Well, the question was " Favorite, not "most technically proficient". It is likely that people are going to list their "favourite". I'm gonna mention Richard Sinclair on "Little Red Riding Hood Hit the Road" from Wyatt's Rock Bottom.
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Posted: August 01 2010 at 13:12 |
My Top 5 In No Particular Order
Greg Lake - Tarkus (ELP)
Richard Sinclair - Shaving Is Boring (Hatfield and The North)
Geddy Lee - Cygnus X-1 Book 1 (Rush)
Chris Squire - Siberian Khatru (Yes)
Greg Lake - Take A Pebble (ELP)
I seem a little biased towards Greg Lake there but thats because i, well am
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